Live's The Turn on the Charts Options

[turningstones]

I don't begrudge them making music, or touring. I just don't think they should do it as Live. Especially since they are basically killing the Live brand that they built with Ed by doing so.

#133 on Billboard for a Live album is horrible. Not selling out an under 500 venue in NYC is terrible for Live, especially on the week of their album release. Live without Ed, is not a Live most people want to see. It is as simple as that.

On Billboard's website, it only goes up to #25 on indie, that is why I didn't see The Turn at 29.

you know why is it that it's absolute that CCCP are killing the brand. They are simply reviving it up to a point to where the fans that dissapeared in major numbers after the early 2000's can come back and experience what they used to get all juiced up by.

the brand was killed by Ed and lack of involvement from CCP (to which i read they feel that was their only mistake), Ed demanded it become his show....the music def suffered and by your equation of success with charting, sales...... then surely Ed killed it.

Go off, go away and leave the LIVE fans be.

[Live4Life]

It shouldn't matter why nick comes here.
It shouldn't matter why anyone comes here.
We are still fans of this band.
Maybe the next cd they put out will be better ...Why is it not ok that we are not liking the cd that much? A lot of people didn't like sfbm or V but they are still fans.



I still find it so funny how grown men get so worked up over nick.
You call him a troll yet you're the ones following him around at every wimb.
Grow up and face the facts...There are people that will not like the music and that is okay.

This post has been edited by Live4Life: Nov 7 2014, 12:27 am

[Bremang]

The Live "brand" (if it even exists) in it's entirety is not a singular style.

It goes from raw dynamic mental jewelry,

to bizarrely awesome throwing copper,

and increases in overproduction and darkness for SS,

and becomes part of the loudness wars and gets softer and more "love" themed in TDTH,

and gets hyper poppy and topical on V with undertones of spirituality,

and gets really chunky and syrupy for BOP,

and super soft and mellow, and adult contemporary for BOP

....with Radiant Sea and Paradiso following suit with mature contemporary music.

You can say that each album departed from the brand of it's predecessor, and therefore Live detracted from it's brand throughout their career.

You can say the first four albums were the real Live, but that isn't true as long as CCP signed the dotted line for every Live release.

The charts do not reflect fanfare accurately for all of Live's fans. Trends in methods of purchasing music and trends in popular musical styles will have a major influence on the final numbers.

No fan's opinion will be an official statement for the opinions of tons of other fans, or Live's success. Everyone can speak for themselves, and Live's success will be measured by how CCP feel about the music.

[SJN1279]

The Live "brand" (if it even exists) in it's entirety is not a singular style.

It goes from raw dynamic mental jewelry,

to bizarrely awesome throwing copper,

and increases in overproduction and darkness for SS,

and becomes part of the loudness wars and gets softer and more "love" themed in TDTH,

and gets hyper poppy and topical on V with undertones of spirituality,

and gets really chunky and syrupy for BOP,

and super soft and mellow, and adult contemporary for BOP

....with Radiant Sea and Paradiso following suit with mature contemporary music.

You can say that each album departed from the brand of it's predecessor, and therefore Live detracted from it's brand throughout their career.

You can say the first four albums were the real Live, but that isn't true as long as CCP signed the dotted line for every Live release.

The charts do not reflect fanfare accurately for all of Live's fans. Trends in methods of purchasing music and trends in popular musical styles will have a major influence on the final numbers.

No fan's opinion will be an official statement for the opinions of tons of other fans, or Live's success. Everyone can speak for themselves, and Live's success will be measured by how CCP feel about the music.

Live's brand is strongest with all four original members. Most bands can't pull off a lead singer change, and it looks like Live is no exception.

[Costakoui]

Live's brand is strongest with all four original members. Most bands can't pull off a lead singer change, and it looks like Live is no exception.

What are you suggesting? CCP and Ed together again under the name Live? This is not going to happen. So, what do you want? CCCP continue under a different name? This is not going to happen. So, what's your problem? Are you so attached to the name Live? You enjoy Ed's music, go listen to it and give Live a break.

[WaiterAtCliftons]

Live's brand is strongest with all four original members. Most bands can't pull off a lead singer change, and it looks like Live is no exception.

It has been 8 years since the last "LIVE" album and the new album has only been out 2 weeks. I would say it is a bit premature to say they can't pull it off.

To me and a lot of their other fans, they have indeed already pulled it off. The album is great, that is really all that matters to most fans.

[SJN1279]

It has been 8 years since the last "LIVE" album and the new album has only been out 2 weeks. I would say it is a bit premature to say they can't pull it off.

To me and a lot of their other fans, they have indeed already pulled it off. The album is great, that is really all that matters to most fans.

Albums for most indie bands have one week to chart. An album being great is subjective. A lot of fans find The Turn great, many find it to be generic rock.



This post has been edited by SJN1279: Nov 7 2014, 8:23 am

[turningstones]

this place is surely a war zone. the sjn keeps morphing his next statement to fit his criteria, the mother hen, well there seems to be no head attached inside the coop and it's running around, well you know......

the other person seems to be up in the cloud layer rendering down like the almighty did to moses.

Aye Aye

[alexou]

Albums for most indie bands have one week to chart. An album being great is subjective. A lot of fans find The Turn great, many find it to be generic rock.

In all respect, what is your definition of generic rock?

If you like generic pop or at least if you admit you like generic pop/soft rock (Ed included), then ok you can say something like that, but it still remains subjective. Because you can't say that the turn is generic rock and pretend Ed doesn't do generic Christian/pop/rock kind of music.

[turningstones]

i see from the social media places that the turn took over 2 years to make.
It sounds LIVE with new elements, which is good. It cannot be generic, as generic rock is something thrown together in a few weeks or a month, all sounding the same regurge. Live has never made generic rock. This record falls back into the spirit and element, dynamic of the first 4.

Surely this is another trolling attempt. The opinion of the sjn person may be an opinion but it's an agenda laiden troll, textbook.

[ThrowgnCpr]

now I remember why I never posted and barely read this forum...

[alexou]

i see from the social media places that the turn took over 2 years to make.
It sounds LIVE with new elements, which is good. It cannot be generic, as generic rock is something thrown together in a few weeks or a month, all sounding the same regurge. Live has never made generic rock. This record falls back into the spirit and element, dynamic of the first 4.

Surely this is another trolling attempt. The opinion of the sjn person may be an opinion but it's an agenda laiden troll, textbook.

I know all that...when I come back with questions like these sometimes, answers take longer to come!

[SinfulEyes]

Albums for most indie bands have one week to chart. An album being great is subjective. A lot of fans find The Turn great, many find it to be generic rock.

Sometimes I feel bad for Nick. This quote tells me he's either quite unintelligent or further proves he's trolling. He's like that poor kid or guy that everyone picks on in class or at the office because he tries to make a point but doesn't know how to.

[Soxwsc]

Sometimes I feel bad for Nick. This quote tells me he's either quite unintelligent or further proves he's trolling. He's like that poor kid or guy that everyone picks on in class or at the office because he tries to make a point but doesn't know how to.

And of all the kids picking on the guy, you're the biggest bully of them all. You're probably the guy who was known as the biggest bully in school.. and still are.

[Bremang]

Live's brand is strongest with all four original members. Most bands can't pull off a lead singer change, and it looks like Live is no exception.

What is Live's "brand?"

You think Ed Kowalczyk is key to the brand, since he was a part of all their other albums.

Some other people think hard rock and ensemble music is key to the brand, since that was an element to their most popular albums.

Seems no matter what they do, their brand is not going anywhere. They were born branded.