The Turn - Full Album on iTunes US now Options

[throwing_cheetahs]

- We Open The Door is decent. I like the concept and overall sound, but I'm not a fan of the lead by Chad.

Yeah, it sounds odd to me, hate to say it.

TC

[Costakoui]

I just listened to SFBM the other day, and I still enjoy it quite a lot. Mystery, Wings, Sofia, Night of Nights.....they are a lot of good songs on the album.

lalala dadadada

[Costakoui]

You should have started with "For me", like Nick did.

Personally I think TFATM is way better than The Turn. I'm already getting tired of The Turn and it's hasn't even been a week. Till You Came Around and By Design are worse than any song on SFBM. They're so bad they literally make me feel sick.

Hold on a minute! How did i miss such a masterpiece? Thank you so much, i am buying it now. SFBM is another masterpiece in the history of music? I am now listening to The River and it is so phenomenal "lalala dadadada"

[PhoenixDecay]

Personally, I think the lot of you are strange as hell.
Why do you people over analyze like this?
This is a BAND. And a medeocre one at that.
I just find it creepy as hell how some of you are talking about a SHITTY record.

Because we are in a strange way emotionally attached. That is the reason many people in the history of earth did strange things. Maybe you will understand people more now.

[Costakoui]

Because we are in a strange way emotionally attached. That is the reason many people in the history of earth did strange things. Maybe you will understand people more now.

People need to attach to and identify with things, music, other people etc. It is a way to find meaning in life. When the things they like are disliked by others they may become defensive. When they do, they do not actually defend the things but themselves.

[ThrowgnCpr]

This forum is maddening. There are typically two camps here, which are really just two sides of the same coin. One camp is devastated that Ed isn't fronting Live and will be unhappy with anything that CCP does without him, and the other hates Ed and will bash him no matter what. Sure, there are a handful of people who float around in the middle, but it is a pretty non-vocal camp.

The truth is, neither group (Ed solo, and CCCP Live) are going to make a big wave in today's music industry. Those of you who are arguing for or against one of them doing that are deluded. Live was successful during the 1990s for two main reason:

1) they wrote some decent music early in their career and
2) the timing was absolutely perfect in terms of the music industry, and what was the popular driving music of the time.

The second point is most important. Now, let me reiterate: Neither group is going to make a big wave in today's music market. Few people give a shit about Ed or Live anymore. So stop deluding yourselves and just choose to enjoy the music or ignore it. These musicians are people; they are not puppets that have to change their lives because of how it affects your feelings. Both groups are going to continue to gain (and lose) members of their audience. As long as they are happy doing what they do, more power to them.

The reviews posted on the forum clearly illustrate what camp people are in. There are a lot of 10/10 comments, and some "worst thing I ever heard" comments. The truth is, for both Ed and Live, its pretty run of the mill radio rock music. Neither group is pushing music's boundaries or making really exciting music. Ed wants to make more adult contemporary soft rock, and CCCP wants to make radio alt-rock. Personally, I don't find either all that interesting, especially Ed's stuff, but that is my preference. None of these guys are musical geniuses that are making really thought-provoking music. They're all talented and decent at what they do, so let them do it.

I don't really listen to any popular rock music, so I'm not totally floored by the new album. But I choose to enjoy it, because for what it is, it really is pretty decent. I find the "frontman" comments as some of the most ridiculous. I don't listen to music or go to concerts to be dazzled by some guy acting out on the stage. Who gives a shit if the lead singer jumps around a lot or shakes his hips? That doesn't change the music. In fact, I want as little of that showiness as possible. I go to concerts to see musicians performing their craft, not to see an egotistical interpretive dance.

So, with all that, here is my short review of the album: After several listens, I think Chris's vocals fit great. Some of the musical and vocal medleys are weak, but there are some really surprisingly decent parts too. I went into this not expecting much, and was pleasantly surprised. As a comeback, it doesn't disappoint, and it lets me enjoy some new Live music, even if its something that won't make it into my daily rotation much.

Song by song:

1) Siren's Call - I love this song. It has that same gut drive that Lakini's Juice had. Best on the album for me
2) Don't Wait - This is another really good song, and the perfect follow up to Siren's Call. They couldn't have made that juxtaposition any better
3) Natural Born Killers - I really don't like this song at all. The music maybe isn't that bad, but I really don't like the vocals. This is one song where I could argue against Chris' influence
4) 6310 Rodgerton Dr. - Cool backstory and everything, but I don't find the song to be that special
5) By Design - I like it. The feel of it superficially reminds me of some of the hit tracks from Throwing Copper
6) The Way Around Is Through - As I mentioned earlier on, this song relies waaaay too heavily on the chorus. It has cool components, but needs to be restructured
7) Need Tonight - I like it. Feels like a Live song.
8) The Strength to Hold On - I haven't decided about this song yet. Something about it feels very un-Live
9) We Open the Door - I like it, but not much more to say.
10) He Could Teach the Devil Tricks - I haven't decided about this song yet. I think I like it, but not sure it will stick with me
11) Till You Come Around - I don't like it. I'm sure Chad wanted to include Chris's song here as a throwback to 'Horse' on Throwing Copper, but it doesn't work.


So that's that. I hope that CCCP are happy doing what they are doing, and that Ed is happy doing what he does. I don't care for his current music, but there is obviously a group of people that enjoys that stuff. I encourage all of you to listen to all of this music and choose to judge the music, not the circumstances. If you enjoy it, keep listening. If you don't, move along. There is a fuck-ton of music available today. Go find something you like.

[SJN1279]

This forum is maddening. There are typically two camps here, which are really just two sides of the same coin. One camp is devastated that Ed isn't fronting Live and will be unhappy with anything that CCP does without him, and the other hates Ed and will bash him no matter what. Sure, there are a handful of people who float around in the middle, but it is a pretty non-vocal camp.

The truth is, neither group (Ed solo, and CCCP Live) are going to make a big wave in today's music industry. Those of you who are arguing for or against one of them doing that are deluded.

But Live with all four original members would at least be able to fill 1000-2000 seat venues. 90's nostalgia has been kicking into higher gear the last few years, and Live hasn't been able to take advantage.

Also Live never was able to take advantage of the social media craze. It all ended before FB and Twiiter really kicked into gear. Live has very passionate fans on both sides, together we would make very strong supporters of Live.

Ed K worked hard and through some early bumps to become a successful touring act again solo. Not to the level of Live but on a smaller scale. New Live will never reach the heights of Live from the last decade. They just aren't filling venues in the US, and their album is barely a blip on the radar.

It is a shame they can't get along and do a proper tour, because to steal a term, it is what most REAL FANS would want.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Oct 30 2014, 11:28 am

[ThrowgnCpr]

But Live with all four original members would at least be able to fill 1000-2000 seat venues. 90's nostalgia has been kicking into higher gear the last few years, and Live hasn't been able to take advantage.

This is still nothing. In the grand scheme of things, there is no difference between filling a 500 person venue, and a 2000 person venue. 90s nostalgia is still a niche.

It is a shame they can't get along and do a proper tour, because to steal a term, it is what most REAL FANS would want.

This is complete bullshit. REAL FANS would acknowledge these musicians as human beings, and want them to do whatever it is that makes them happy. Ed, and CCCP seem pretty content with the paths they have chosen. As an old Live fan (since ~1992) that makes me pretty happy.

[ThrowgnCpr]

and further:

Also Live never was able to take advantage of the social media craze. It all ended before FB and Twiiter really kicked into gear.

Ed K worked hard and through some early bumps to become a successful touring act again solo. Not to the level of Live but on a smaller scale. New Live will never reach the heights of Live from the last decade. They just aren't filling venues in the US, and their album is barely a blip on the radar.

Read my review above. It honestly doesn't matter if Live goes all out on social media, reunites with Ed and tours like crazy. They still wouldn't make a huge impact. That time is past.

[SinfulEyes]

and further:
Read my review above. It honestly doesn't matter if Live goes all out on social media, reunites with Ed and tours like crazy. They still wouldn't make a huge impact. That time is past.

There is zero chance in hell Ed and CCP do any kind of reunion or partner act. It's just not going to happen so why fantasize about it?

[SinfulEyes]

I'm only on my second listen through the album but We Open the Door is my favorite track for some reason. I supposed because it reminds me most of Live of years past.

[SJN1279]

This is still nothing. In the grand scheme of things, there is no difference between filling a 500 person venue, and a 2000 person venue. 90s nostalgia is still a niche.

If that was true The Gracious Few would still be touring, and Kevin Martin wouldn't have returned to Candlebox. Touring is expensive. The smaller venues you play the less money you take in.

Money aside, Live had built a niche as one of the most consistent touring acts of the 90's. They always filled venues, and were able to headline tours solo and with other bands. They also always put on a fantastic show.

Live opening up for Everclear was a huge step down. Not only that, but they have looked bored on stage. The performance quality has gone way down since they reformed. It is sad to watch only because they are using the name Live.

CCP are tearing down something that the four guys built up over a 25 year period.

CCP are slowly tearing down all the good will they built up over 20 years by forming this new Live.

[SJN1279]

and further:
Read my review above. It honestly doesn't matter if Live goes all out on social media, reunites with Ed and tours like crazy. They still wouldn't make a huge impact. That time is past.

A Taylor Swift impact, no. A Bush or Collective Soul level impact, yes.

[ThrowgnCpr]

There is zero chance in hell Ed and CCP do any kind of reunion or partner act. It's just not going to happen so why fantasize about it?

I hope you are referring to Nick there. I am in no way fantasizing about it, nor do I really want that. That said, while I agree that there is no chance of a reunion in the near future, I never say never. There are a lot of bands who have reunited late in their career (even if just for a short run of shows) that I would have never expected. I doubt it would happen (and do not want), and I don't think it would be good.

[ThrowgnCpr]

CCP are tearing down something that the four guys built up over a 25 year period.

CCP are slowly tearing down all the good will they built up over 20 years by forming this new Live.

you're a funny guy... CCP aren't tearing down something the 4 guys built over a 25 year period. ECCP tore down something for 10 years that they spent 10 years building...

And this new incarnation of Live will have no effect on what people like or dislike about old Live, in the same way that The Phantom Menace doesn't change the way I feel about The Empire Strikes Back.

Get over yourself dude.