Atlantic City, NJ (House of Blues), October 5, 2013 - Entirety of Throwing Copper performed Options

[themaestro]

No promotion? They promoted the hell out of the show last night. The ad ran on Facebook constantly, and I even saw it on the Pollstar website. Not to mention Chad Taylor appearing on WMMR radio the day before the show.

A nostalgia show would not have sold worse with Ed. Live is strongest with the four of them on stage together whether you believe it or not.

Don't twist my words. The point is they would be doing promotion if Ed was the singer still too. And there's no guarantee the results would be any different, possibly even worse. You act as if they could just show up and sell it out because Ed is there. Live had all sorts of issues in 2009 and even you noticed. Fans had been noticing for years and had been losing interest. A change was needed. Something needed to give and it ended up being Ed left and we have a new singer.

Whether you believe it or not, a band in turmoil is not a band that produces good results. It shows in the music, the performance, in many different ways that fans notice and respond to. Just because you are oblivious to this because you idolize Ed so much doesn't mean it's not there. The fans that are actually giving Chris a shot are enjoying it.

[SJN1279]

Don't twist my words. The point is they would be doing promotion if Ed was the singer still too. And there's no guarantee the results would be any different, possibly even worse. You act as if they could just show up and sell it out because Ed is there. Live had all sorts of issues in 2009 and even you noticed. Fans had been noticing for years and had been losing interest. A change was needed. Something needed to give and it ended up being Ed left and we have a new singer.

Whether you believe it or not, a band in turmoil is not a band that produces good results. It shows in the music, the performance, in many different ways that fans notice and respond to. Just because you are oblivious to this because you idolize Ed so much doesn't mean it's not there. The fans that are actually giving Chris a shot are enjoying it.

Live with Ed sold out HOB Atlantic City 3 times from 2005-2009 while still playing a full weekend of capacity shows at the same time. Live without Ed spent thousands of dollars of their own money on FB adds to fill the HOB AC on Saturday and fell well short of the mark. The fact that this was the only solo headline show that Live booked for the year and they made it a one-time only Throwing Copper shows that the band is not nearly strong without Ed. As more casual fans discover Ed is no longer with the band, they will draw less and less fans to their shows. The dye has been cast.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Oct 7 2013, 10:35 am

[alexou]

Live with Ed sold out HOB Atlantic City 3 times from 2005-2009 while still playing a full weekend of capacity shows at the same time. Live without Ed spent thousands of dollars of their own money on FB adds to fill the HOB AC on Saturday and fell well short of the mark. The fact that this was the only solo headline show that Live booked for the year and they made it a one-time only Throwing Copper shows that the band is not nearly strong without Ed. As more casual fans discover Ed is no longer with the band, they will draw less and less fans to their shows. The dye has been cast.

Prefer to have 1000 people seeing a show with happy people performing than to be 2500 watching a dying band. Some shows in the 2006 area were decent, but it's really a period of time that maybe CCP would like to have back and use to create something better than SFBM. Again talking about sales and money.

[themaestro]

Live with Ed sold out HOB Atlantic City 3 times from 2005-2009 while still playing a full weekend of capacity shows at the same time. Live without Ed spent thousands of dollars of their own money on FB adds to fill the HOB AC on Saturday and fell well short of the mark. The fact that this was the only solo headline show that Live booked for the year and they made it a one-time only Throwing Copper shows that the band is not nearly strong without Ed. As more casual fans discover Ed is no longer with the band, they will draw less and less fans to their shows. The dye has been cast.

Live is rebuilding the carcass that Ed left in his narcissistic wake. Many fans are skeptical which is to be expected. A good percentage of those that are open to experiencing Live with a new singer are pleasantly surprised. Chris is handling old Live songs just fine. The bonus is that the band is having such a good time "together" that the fans are too. The fans are feeding off the band and the band is feeding off the fans. Like the best rock shows should be. In 2009 there was none of that. Word is getting around. If they continue as they are now they will do just fine.

[livefan86]

Live with Ed sold out HOB Atlantic City 3 times from 2005-2009 while still playing a full weekend of capacity shows at the same time. Live without Ed spent thousands of dollars of their own money on FB adds to fill the HOB AC on Saturday and fell well short of the mark. The fact that this was the only solo headline show that Live booked for the year and they made it a one-time only Throwing Copper shows that the band is not nearly strong without Ed. As more casual fans discover Ed is no longer with the band, they will draw less and less fans to their shows. The dye has been cast.

The band was active during those dates. The last HOB show in 2009 was horrible. Worst LIVE concert I have ever seen. Even if Ed was still in LIVE, it's asinine to think they would be able to come back after 4 years of doing nothing and produce the same results. Also, this isn't about money for them, its all about the music. The intensity of the band the other night was something that hasn't been captured in the past 10 years.

[SJN1279]

The band was active during those dates. The last HOB show in 2009 was horrible. Worst LIVE concert I have ever seen. Even if Ed was still in LIVE, it's asinine to think they would be able to come back after 4 years of doing nothing and produce the same results. Also, this isn't about money for them, its all about the music. The intensity of the band the other night was something that hasn't been captured in the past 10 years.

Usually when a band is away for a while, their first show back is very well attended. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, as they say. That is why reunion tours typically do very well.

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[themaestro]

Usually when a band is away for a while, their first show back is very well attended. Absence makes the heart grow fonder, as they say. That is why reunion tours typically do very well.

Perhaps if they had gone away in 2000 and not left everyone with the bad taste of nearly 10 years of subpar Live experiences. Last we heard from them they were fumbling through Forever and Believe with no interaction with each other on stage or off. Not exactly something fans were clamoring for then or 4 years later.

[SJN1279]

Perhaps if they had gone away in 2000 and not left everyone with the bad taste of nearly 10 years of subpar Live experiences. Last we heard from them they were fumbling through Forever and Believe with no interaction with each other on stage or off. Not exactly something fans were clamoring for then or 4 years later.

A lead singer who forgets the lyrics constantly and uses offstage back-up singers to make choruses sound better won't have fans clamoring for them either.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Oct 7 2013, 1:18 pm

[themaestro]

A lead singer who forgets the lyrics constantly and uses offstage back-up singers to make choruses sound better won't have fans clamoring for them either.

Haven't heard a single account from anyone that attended that didn't enjoy it. Only the no Ed/no Live fans that didn't attend have anything negative to say and they'll never like it.

[alexou]

A lead singer who forgets the lyrics constantly and uses offstage back-up singers to make choruses sound better won't have fans clamoring for them either.

The back-up singers were to add depth to some songs, particularly POD, and there is nothing wrong with that and they got credit at the end. They did the whistling for Waitress. For the lyrics, it is up for a debate, but the sound and the intensity were there for ALL the songs!

[SJN1279]

The back-up singers were to add depth to some songs, particularly POD, and there is nothing wrong with that and they got credit at the end. They did the whistling for Waitress. For the lyrics, it is up for a debate, but the sound and the intensity were there for ALL the songs!

Chris Shinn had two months to learn the lyrics to Throwing Copper and he didn't do it. There is no defending that.

[themaestro]

Chris Shinn had two months to learn the lyrics to Throwing Copper and he didn't do it. There is no defending that.

I've heard of a couple of instances where he messed up the lyrics and I don't think he forgot them so much as lost his place in the moment. Pretty innocent and no big deal. Besides, it's not like that has never happened to Ed.

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[PurdueSteve]

Chris Shinn had two months to learn the lyrics to Throwing Copper and he didn't do it. There is no defending that.

Dude get real, after 20 years Ed still messes up lyrics frequently and he's the one that wrote them. You're just grabbing at straws. At the end of the day there were still a very good number of people in attendance and everyone that was actually there enjoyed themselves. Isn't that the fucking point?

[SJN1279]

Dude get real, after 20 years Ed still messes up lyrics frequently and he's the one that wrote them. You're just grabbing at straws. At the end of the day there were still a very good number of people in attendance and everyone that was actually there enjoyed themselves. Isn't that the fucking point?

Singers do forget the lyrics on occasion, but I don't believe Chris Shinn has ever made it through a show where he didn't make noticeable mistakes with the lyrics to Live's songs. I can guarantee that when Ed performs Throwing Copper in 2014, he won't be reading lyrics out of a book.

[themaestro]

Singers do forget the lyrics on occasion, but I don't believe Chris Shinn has ever made it through a show where he didn't make noticeable mistakes with the lyrics to Live's songs. I can guarantee that when Ed performs Throwing Copper in 2014, he won't be reading lyrics out of a book.

I didn't notice any lyric mistakes at the show I saw and if I did it wouldn't have detracted from my enjoyment of the show one bit. You're really exaggerating to try to make your point. By all accounts those that went to the show thoroughly enjoyed it.