Ed Kowalczyk = Douche bag and you can't deny it..... Options

[SecretInsomnia]

Well, until the others produce ANYTHING i certainly will my friend. I certainly will.

In that case: be honest and just admit that the one album Chad Chad and Patrick recorded after the break up was so much better and creative than all the discs Ed released so far... I hope you even listened to that, bacause if not I wonder how you can judge them at all anyway.

Let me ask you one thing. Are you one of the few people on earth that think that the versions of Selling the Drama, Lakini's Juice, etc. Ed performs with his musicians are just at the same level as the versions LIVE performed in the 90ies? And aside from the performance, do you think Ed performs them as good as well? Just asking, but in that case it's quite obvious how you think and we don't have to discuss this topic any further

This post has been edited by SecretInsomnia: Sep 15 2013, 5:04 am

[SecretInsomnia]

just thought i'd chime in with the children.

Why?

[SJN1279]

In that case: be honest and just admit that the one album Chad Chad and Patrick recorded after the break up was so much better and creative than all the discs Ed released so far... I hope you even listened to that, bacause if not I wonder how you can judge them at all anyway.

Let me ask you one thing. Are you one of the few people on earth that think that the versions of Selling the Drama, Lakini's Juice, etc. Ed performs with his musicians are just at the same level as the versions LIVE performed in the 90ies? And aside from the performance, do you think Ed performs them as good as well? Just asking, but in that case it's quite obvious how you think and we don't have to discuss this topic any further

I think Ed's band does a very good job playing Live material. His new guitarist is very talented and energetic on stage, while his bass player has improved tremendously as a performer over the last 3 years. The band was in great form this past summer.

As for The Gracious Few, I didn't care for the album at all. I expected a Live/Candlebox 90's hybrid style of music. Instead we get a classic rock/Candlebox hybrid with minimal Live sound. It just wasn't my thing.

[Soxwsc]

I think Ed's band does a very good job playing Live material. His new guitarist is very talented and energetic on stage, while his bass player has improved tremendously as a performer over the last 3 years. The band was in great form this past summer.

As for The Gracious Few, I didn't care for the album at all. I expected a Live/Candlebox 90's hybrid style of music. Instead we get a classic rock/Candlebox hybrid with minimal Live sound. It just wasn't my thing.

I hear ya.. I tried hard to like the Gracious Few album but it just wasn't my cup of tea either. Gave it more than enough listens, then ended up deleting the album never wanting to hear it again. The new stuff from Ed is exactly the type of music I like.. and if anyone wants to harp on how crappy it is, I couldn't care less. All that matters is that I'm enjoying it.

[Live4Life]

In that case: be honest and just admit that the one album Chad Chad and Patrick recorded after the break up was so much better and creative than all the discs Ed released so far... I hope you even listened to that, bacause if not I wonder how you can judge them at all anyway.

Let me ask you one thing. Are you one of the few people on earth that think that the versions of Selling the Drama, Lakini's Juice, etc. Ed performs with his musicians are just at the same level as the versions LIVE performed in the 90ies? And aside from the performance, do you think Ed performs them as good as well? Just asking, but in that case it's quite obvious how you think and we don't have to discuss this topic any further

You mean Gracious few? No, i didn't like it. Only song i really liked was honest man and that was about it. Dude, i am a fan of this band from the beginning so why would you even ask how can i judge them at all anyway?? Wow. JUST like pretty much everyone else judges! From being a fan for over 20 years. And yes, imo most of the stuff eds put out appealed to me a lot more.

Sorry if that upsets you but i don't like something just to fancy up to people that tend to flock together and like something just to like it. Nope.
There is no way the songs even sound remotely close with shinn.
Have you watched videos? So yes, the songs sound ten times better than they do with shinn.
I don't really give a fuck how you perceve my thinking, IF you can say the songs sound good with shinn than they do with eds current line up then not only do we not need to discuss the topic any further , you also need to get your ears cleaned out asap. I like what i like ...i love this new cd. As i said, here we are ...3 tours later, an EP. 2 new cd'slater....how much longer do they expect fans to wait for anything by them? I mean, really?

This post has been edited by Live4Life: Sep 15 2013, 1:19 pm

[SJN1279]

I hear ya.. I tried hard to like the Gracious Few album but it just wasn't my cup of tea either. Gave it more than enough listens, then ended up deleting the album never wanting to hear it again. The new stuff from Ed is exactly the type of music I like.. and if anyone wants to harp on how crappy it is, I couldn't care less. All that matters is that I'm enjoying it.

I am excited to hear Ed's new album in full. I've only heard Seven and Angels on a Razor thus far(the latter thanks to Dan). I'm most excited to hear the completed Holy Water Tears because the sample sounds excellent.

I believe the lawsuit sparked Ed's anger and creativity, and he seems to have made the most personal album of his career(and some of his best music period). Bringing in new talent to help the process and stepping out of his comfort zone didn't hurt either.

This post has been edited by SJN1279: Sep 15 2013, 1:17 pm

[Live4Life]

Why?

Why not?

[Live4Life]

All that matters is that I'm enjoying it.

Exactly. As am I.

[SecretInsomnia]

I don't really give a fuck how you perceve my thinking, IF you can say the songs sound good with shinn than they do with eds current line up then not only do we not need to discuss the topic any further , you also need to get your ears cleaned out asap. I like what i like ..

Oke... reading this...
1. you are lying? just like your Idol Ed.
2. You can't distinguish easy listening backing band music from passionate musicians that play like they made and wrote the music they play (yes, because that's what Chad Chad and Patrick did).
And it doesn't matter what you LIKE (I told you before I was totally fine with you liking easy pop, why wouldn't I). I don't care if you like TGF, I don't care if you like Chris Shinn, I don't care whatever you like. the point is you claim to be a LIVE fan and think some random players play the songs musically (because that's what I asked) better then the creators of the songs. Go listen to Lakin's Juice by Ed and his band, it's just coverband music. And you think that it's m.... whatever. If you don't get that, again, there's no need to explain. Every real LIVE fan will laugh at you. Sorry dude.

[SecretInsomnia]

Why not?

Why not ?!
So... you don't even think about it when you "just chime in with the children".

Well, that CERTAINLY explains a lot of the things I read from you

[SecretInsomnia]

I think Ed's band does a very good job playing Live material. His new guitarist is very talented and energetic on stage, while his bass player has improved tremendously as a performer over the last 3 years. The band was in great form this past summer.

As for The Gracious Few, I didn't care for the album at all. I expected a Live/Candlebox 90's hybrid style of music. Instead we get a classic rock/Candlebox hybrid with minimal Live sound. It just wasn't my thing.

Come on Nick, you must know better. You can do a good job playing LIVE material as a band, but don't you see it still sounds like a coverband, without the intensity and passion it should have?
Fine, that bass player may sure have improved in 3 years, but everyone would at least a little if you perform for 3 years. But a band that plays behind the f*cking former lead singer of a band like LIVE is not a training school for new talent. This is the real deal, man. At least, it should have been. I know Ed can't afford anything better, but he made it that way. So just be honest about it.

This post has been edited by SecretInsomnia: Sep 15 2013, 2:34 pm

[Bremang]

What does that have to do with CCP playing Ed's songs even though they think "he's a disgrace"?

I can get behind Ed feeling that someone else playing the songs they didn't write as less than authentic, but to declare the complete track as "Ed's Songs" is a bit unfair. Again, Ed did NOT write and compose all music and every sound of Live in the early years. Even Harrison is responsible for some of that sound.

You brought up the notion of Ed being hypocritical, and Lakini and I were saying if there was any faint sense of hypocrisy going on, its more hypocritical for CCP to be playing Ed's songs after they hated on him so much, than for Ed to be playing songs and calling the current live less authentic...to which you still haven't explained why that would be hypocritical. By calling them Ed's songs, I just meant that he was the principal songwriter, just for the purposes of saying that it would make sense if he felt that another singer performing his inspired work would be less authentic.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 15 2013, 3:39 pm

[Bremang]

What specifically did Out To Dry try to do? Bury knowledge and fail to come here and gloat and dance are two very different things.

There were multiple points to the suit, not just one point. It's nonsense to suggest that because someone (one who wouldn't have even been present at the deliberations) failed to come and gloat that CCP didn't get a settlement on any of the points. Did they get settlement on ALL of them, probably not, but that's the nature of filing claims and negotiations. You always go in over what you want so you have room to compromise and settle.

We know CCP got what they wanted regarding Ed's billing himself as "of Live".

Since Nick is so much in the know, what piece of magic produced by Camp Ed forced the motion for dismissal?

Then, as has been pointed out, due to branding/imaging there always non-disclosure clauses.

For CCP to "lose", they would have had to have lost every sticking point. For Ed to "win" he would have had to win on every sticking point. The reality is that there likely was a compromise and a settlement somewhere in between.

Good points, there's more than one claim going on and it seems like CCP won at least one of them. Also, a confidentiality agreement might be a factor in why nobody has been discussing the outcome. OTD was making promises for weeks that he was going to shove the outcome of the debate in our faces, but he became silent kind of like every other time he realized i had won an argument. Could be due to a confidentiality agreement, could be due to how CCP didn't win the kind of money that OTD would gloat about....who knows....

This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 15 2013, 3:46 pm

[Bremang]

For those of you that actually believe Ed's nonsense, do you think that CCP contributed next to nothing to The Gracious Few as well?

This is a hard concept to understand:

CCP was vital to Live's music and unique sound, and instrumental parts were written and enhanced by CCP. But Ed wrote the songs and gets credit for it as the songwriter. He created the idea, the basic instrumental melody, and lyrics, and the vocal melody. That make's his influence over Live's music the greatest out of any other input.

CCP seems to have had a hand in the songwriting in TGF, and the music's cool IMO and shows that CCP can be good songwriters, but the glory days in Live are still mostly based on Ed's songwriting.

[Bremang]

Ed's songwriting got worse post 2000 in Live. It's gotten to be listenable again in this new album. CCP have shown that they can write songs (a la TGF and hopefully new Live) just as they have always had a good influence on Live's music when allowed. New Live and Ed don't currently perform as well as old Live but they are still putting on shows that are pretty fun to see in concert, although their recorded videos don't really do the experience justice at times. As for whether Shinn is better than the late Ed in Live, it's a toss up. Shinn is a working replacement in concert. We'll see how Live's music is on the new record if it comes out. He definitely shreds the vocals but doesn't have Ed's unique vibe, even if that vibe was dwindling toward the end.


This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 15 2013, 4:13 pm