Ed Kowalczyk = Douche bag and you can't deny it..... Options

[Live4Life]

I am one of the ones that doesn't want to see him ever go back. I don't think it will do any of them any good. This nw cd of eds is spectactular and he really worked hard and it shows. I think he would lose it again if he went back imo. He had a lot more freedom to speak out and be that creative genuis he always was in my mind. I feel if he goes back he will lose it again.
Just listen to the parasite lyrics...it really says a lot about how he felt.
And now that things are finally getting out..TRUTHFULLY i went to a few triple play tours and was told then..in 2007 at one of the shows [by a very great source] that they had already called it quits but had to finish that tour out. This is why a lot noticed all the tension back then when they were on that tour.



Better yet, read them..Got them right from the booklet.

PARASITE
*****************

Little worm
No Spine at all
Just feedin' on the crumbs that fall
Down on the floor you grub
An ancient slug
is far above ya

How you live with yourself ?
Big Mouth
Little heart...
Talk so loud, think you're smart
You're just a bag of guts...

And nothin' but
The door is shut
This wall ain't comin' down.....
*************
You want what you can't be
Just a parasite suckin'
On the side of me
I'm gonna rip you off
And smoke you out
You're time is done hereee
You won't be bringin' me down againnnn

This time the doctor's here
To diagnose
To make it clear
No quarter be given to
The Enemy
The Parasite
Was livin' off of me
Now that I am healed
The world is right
The way is clear
All of the weakness gone
It won't be long
'til I am strong
'til I am strong againnnnn
You called yourself my friend !!!
Should'a never let you in
Now many are my sins
But I'm no Parasite...

I woke up
I came to
Understand it was always you
Takin' my power down
The cause was found
The truth is out
That dog is in the pound
***********
You want what you can't have
I'm the healthy skin under
You're the puss and the scab
Gonna rip you off
And Throw you out
You're time is done here
You won't be bringin' me down
Againnnnn

This post has been edited by dangum: Sep 11 2013, 9:39 am

[Live4Life]

Thanks doll.

[PurdueSteve]

I am not sure how people can see otherwise that is currently Eds decision not to be involved with Live. Chad said so much in an interview very recently. CCP wanted Ed to come back and he refused.

That's the major point. We can argue details and semantics and anaylze this and that, but at the end of the day Ed has decided that he wants no part of Live. To me, that is OK. Gotta do what you gotta do, but the consequences of that decision is that Live, and the other 3 guys that dedicated their life to it, get to move forward with it.

I don't fault Ed or CCP for the creative differences. My personal tastes may prefer what CCP does over Ed, but Ed is where Ed is creatively. Where I fault Ed is criticizing current Live. By what ground or standards? If he is pissed at CCP because of court cases or whatever, that's fine, but to further diminish the Live brand because they moved forward when he decided that he didn't want to be in the band is irrational.

[PurdueSteve]

I think Ed was cooler in his prime than Grohl. Grohl's a legend but he couldn't write I alone or lightning crashes. Ed was far out.

My whole point bringing Grohl up was that Grohl actually wrote the music for the other instruments. When you listen to that album it was Grohl on guitar. Grohl on drums. Grohl singing, ect. Ed was not like that. Ed did not create all the sound of Live, at least in the successful years.

[PurdueSteve]

Between 9 and 10 Ed was fired.

You're suggesting to err on the side that "makes sense," by saying that the rumors Lakini was referring to is basically the truth. You are being presumptuous if you're saying that Chad's word is anything other than one side of a story we may never know for sure.

I'm not hinging on Chad's words either. Both sides (and even the album liners) indicate that post TDTH Ed had the brunt of the creative control. It's not really up for interpretation or debate that there was more collaboration early on and less collaboration later on. I do believe Chad when he said he blames himself for letting that happen, I think he regrets it, but by the same token Ed either let it happen or wanted it to happen as well.

Taking the whole scenario in, it seems quite obvious that there were creative differences and as a result of that Ed felt that he could do what he was doing in Live, as a solo artist. As a solo artist you don't have to debate or collude with anyone against your will. If you want to make a Christian Pop song, you can.

It's at this point, a very obvious point, that Ed wanted to just do his thing (I don't fault him for this), but to do his thing it required leaving the band and getting into a position where you have autonomous creative authority (solo artist).

CCP, having lost their lead singer (the facts leading up to such are irrelevant regarding this point), decided to move forward instead of just retiring the band. It seems that the Pro-Ed camp, and Ed himself, would have preferred they just retired or waited in the shadows for some time in the future, if ever, that Ed would want to be in Live again. I ask you, or anyone, is that fair to them? Should Ed have the authority or capability to force all of Live into retirement?

[Live4Life]

Should Ed have the authority or capability to force all of Live into retirement?

No but at the same time i don't think they should use the name live. I mean, they did not even want him to use it for promo purposes ...i don't think he intentionally did anyway...i still feel a lot of that had to do with promoters not knowing he was no longer in the band, Even to this day people still think shinn is Ed. lol. I know, sad but true. But think of this, is that fair to ed?

People have been posting on lives facebook going to shows saying shit like , "oh your singer still looks and sounds great even after all these years." I mean, really?
Casual fans have no clue.

Back to what i was saying. I don't feel they should be able to use it for the same reasons. They are not really live without him. It is also tricking fans by then never announcing they had a dif singer either. That bugs me. I mean band like JOURNEY did it...i could name tons of others but meh. I commend them for moving on and shit at the same time to me it's just not fair to ed. Not sure if you'll understand . I always have a hard time wording and expressing myself.

[PurdueSteve]

No but at the same time i don't think they should use the name live.

The rest of your post is irrelevant. The first sentence was contradicting.

If Ed shouldn't force the rest of live into retirement, then that means they should use the name.

This post has been edited by PurdueSteve: Sep 11 2013, 1:52 pm

[Live4Life]

The rest of your post is irrelevant. The first sentence was contradicting.

If Ed shouldn't force the rest of live into retirement, then that means they should use the name.

No it wasn't contradicting not at all... Why can't ed fight for the name? He was the driving force behind it all.

If anyone deserved to use that name it should be him.
But all that aside, it's really pointless anyway because he is actually doing a lot better without even using it. He doesn't even need to. His career is going so good now. So how's that working out for them? lol

Edit, they fought so hard to keep the name...for what? Seemed pretty pointless. No one even cares who they are without him. Truth. sorry.

This post has been edited by Live4Life: Sep 11 2013, 2:02 pm

[PurdueSteve]

No it wasn't contradicting not at all... Why can't ed fight for the name? He was the driving force behind it all.

Because it's well established that each member controls 25%.

25% < 25%+25%+25%

Being the "driving" force is not the same as being the only or exclusive force.

[PurdueSteve]

Edit, they fought so hard to keep the name...for what? Seemed pretty pointless. No one even cares who they are without him. Truth. sorry.

No they didn't. They, from the very first moment of Ed's departure, had control and rights to the name. What they had to fight was Ed using the name wrongfully.

Laws, contractual agreements, and the like are relevant and actually mean something. Subjective elements like the "driving force" and all of that are not.

[Live4Life]

okay , so you don't feel they are using the name wrongfully? You don't think they are failing fans by letting them think ed is still the singer? So if they can all use thier 25 percent why couldn't he? If you really think hard about it. As i said, he doesn't even have to put "formerly of live" anymore at all.
People know who he is. no one knows who shinn is and they are kind of cheating him as well. It was all just a waste of time in the end.

[zmanpga]

I do enjoy talking about the breakup.

I believe you're claiming Ed is hypocritical for calling new Live counterfeit because you suggest he walked away from Live/CCP. How does that make him a hypocrite? (Did he really walk away? If so, would his walking away even be the pivotal moment in the bands split?)

I don't see hypocrisy in his statement because Ed merely asserts that he believes he was essential to Live, and a new lineup is not the real deal. I don't agree with him that Live should be considered counterfeit, but I don't see how the statement is hypocritical.

All I know is that your reasoning is rooted in the idea that Ed abandoned the others, and they had to let him go to move on. I think Ed's departure is actually an interesting scenario that is not cut and dry.

There's no doubt that Ed was terminated by CCP. When it comes to legalities and being in the band, there's no evidence that Ed made any affirmative indication that he would resign from Live, or that he had any intention of leaving the band for good.

As far as him "walking away" prior to being terminated, there's a lot of grey area there. You seem to have your facts wrong about which time in the hiatus CCP may have tried to reach Ed. The guys were toward the start of their vacation when CCP suddenly tried to raise Ed for questioning. The hiatus was announced in mid 2009 and was projected to be for "two years." Ed was completely processed and fired about 4-5 months into the hiatus. So it wasn't at the end of the planned hiatus, like you suggest.

As far as Ed being unresponsive to CCP reaching out to him, we have Chad's blog posts that delve very little into any details. While Live was on a break, and therefore didn't necessarily have any business with each other at the time, presumably Chad tried to reach Ed regarding a contractual dispute. Who knows what sort of communication that was. For all we know, CCP could have been furious at him and for whatever reason, Ed was not inclined to respond. It seems even if Ed did respond, the guys probably would have fired him and sued him if they thought he was stealing. Suggesting that Ed "walked away" seems to be a mute point if he was going to be fired anyway. We don't even know the outcome of CCP's claims to know whether CCP had a legal right to any money.

Of course, there's very few details where we could pinpoint how these guys separated over the course of the 2000's. It seems that over time Ed and CCP were not approving of each other's music and/or work ethic, and CCP say that Ed gave them an ultimatum in 2005 and articulated that he wanted complete control. Who knows the details of that. CCP apparently decided to let Ed win control (ironically there's definitely some hypocrisy in that.) While all that seems to be relevant to the events that lead to Ed possibly ignoring CCP, I don't see how that makes Ed hypocritical for saying he thinks that Live's current line-up isn't the real deal, when he believes that he is Live. Maybe you can explain the hypocrisy.

umm, not to be a smart ass, but you need to do some better research

[Live4Life]

umm, not to be a smart ass, but you need to do some better research

I think he is doing prety good actually. Why do you always feel like you and your clan are the only ones that know shit? wait for it....












shudup.

[zmanpga]

yup bye

[Bremang]

umm, not to be a smart ass, but you need to do some better research

you should be more specific about which facts need to be corrected cause typically I get nothing but a vague and emotional response from you

This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 11 2013, 5:34 pm