Ed Kowalczyk = Douche bag and you can't deny it..... Options

[SJN1279]

Just got a semi-threatening phone call from a "Live fan". Some Live fans can be a little too intense IMHO......

[Live4Life]

Fuck that . He HAS been the bigger man all along. I respect him even more now. BRAVO ED. BRAVO.

[Live4Life]

Just got a semi-threatening phone call from a "Live fan". Some Live fans can be a little too intense IMHO......

No way? Part of the clan i'd assume. I'm telling you.,,,fucking loonies.
They prob all wear cornstarch and have live .02 cult parties.
I would report them asap.

[Bremang]

[quo te name='Bremang' date='ep8 2013, 2:31 am' post='120771']
have any of you ever written a song or been in a band? If one songwriter brings the songs to the band, and the rest of the band learns the songs and bring their style to the mix, and the songwriter gives the rest of the band 50% credit, that's pure generosity from the singer/songwriter.


Yes I'm in a band. I write every single song for my band as well. But I give myself 50% of writing and my band get the rest because they write bass and drums parts and we all share melodies for vocals. Are drummer writes the lyrics. So ed saying 90% and his Solo songs sucking. He did not write 90% of old live

You didn't write your lyrics, so you didn't write the songs yourself. Sounds like you put in about 50%.

[Bremang]

Yeah I think this was a bad move by Ed to make that comment. I believe him about the song writing but I think he should have been the bigger man about it and stay quiet. The new song "Parasite" is aimed at Chad right?

That was my first thought haha. It might just be a generic song but I'm sure some people will think of Chad.

[Bremang]

Awwww Nick that is so sweet, Ed does love you


Ed Kowalczyk (Ed K.) Nick, you were witness to all of it and I thank you for everything you have done to help me as well. They used the legal system to persecute me for absolutely nothing for almost 4 years. Not to mention the countless derogatory things that were said about me online and otherwise for even longer. I still feel that the high road is the best road but you're right, the BS is behind me (until they sue me again for God knows what) and it's time to set some of the record straight. There were and are currently many outright lies that are being presented to the fans, not the least of which is the totally counterfeit and falsely advertised version of "Live" they are promoting. I will clear up confusion when I can, and in my chosen time and place. Thanks again and enjoy the new music and tour!!!

If he wants to actually pinpoint some of these lies that would be nice. As far as Live being counterfeit and falsely advertised....I can see why Ed would be frustrated because it does seem like CCP are trying to recreate Ed with Chris's voice, re-recording the classics, and almost trying to give Shinn the same image as Ed, but CCP should be able to do it and Ed shouldn't call it fake. It's just a new lead singer.

[PurdueSteve]

If he wants to actually pinpoint some of these lies that would be nice. As far as Live being counterfeit and falsely advertised....I can see why Ed would be frustrated because it does seem like CCP are trying to recreate Ed with Chris's voice, re-recording the classics, and almost trying to give Shinn the same image as Ed, but CCP should be able to do it and Ed shouldn't call it fake. It's just a new lead singer.

Agreed, I really don't get Ed (or Nick) complaining about Live. Ed left the band. Why complain or comment about the band being counterfeit or whatever when you walk away from it. Makes zero sense. It just goes to show that he believes that Live was him, and him exclusively.

I don't think they are giving Shinn the same image. Not even close. Shinn is himself. When he starts twerking it with his shirt off to Lakini's Juice, I'll be happy to eat crow.

[Bremang]

Agreed, I really don't get Ed (or Nick) complaining about Live. Ed left the band. Why complain or comment about the band being counterfeit or whatever when you walk away from it. Makes zero sense. It just goes to show that he believes that Live was him, and him exclusively.

I don't think they are giving Shinn the same image. Not even close. Shinn is himself. When he starts twerking it with his shirt off to Lakini's Juice, I'll be happy to eat crow.

You didn't agree actually. I said I understood why Ed would be frustrated. How did Ed "walk away?" He was fired. As for Nick and anyone who doesn't like Live's current state, their frustration is pretty obvious as well. Everyone has their own personal desires for the band, and Nick's ideal is that he wanted/wants the original band together, doing BOP style music, and Ed getting most of the credit.

As far as Shinn's image, I'm meant specifically the famous 90's Ed image. He trying to sing like TC Ed. When the lights go down at a shower and he's covered in powder, it gets harder to tell the difference for someone who isn't sure. I was at a show and none of the new generation of concert goers didn't even know it wasn't Ed. Shinn said it himself in my Tempe review, "we don't want to make people think."

I think it's fine if Ed wants to make an official statement about the allegations, but I think he should call the new band what it is, Live with a new lead singer, even if there is a certain suspension of disbelief required for fans to be immersed in Chris managing songs that come from Ed's unique inspiration. And its pure hypocrisy for anyone who praised Chad when he made claims in one side of the story, if they are calling Ed a douche for putting out the other side of the story.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 9 2013, 8:02 am

[PurdueSteve]

You didn't agree very much actually. I said I understood why Ed would be frustrated. As for Nick and anyone who doesn't like Live's current state, their frustration is pretty obvious as well. Everyone has their own personal desires for the band, and Nick's ideal is that he wanted/wants the original band together, doing BOP style music, and Ed getting most of the credit.

As far as Shinn's image, I'm meant specifically the famous 90's Ed image. I was at a show and the new generation of concert goers didn't even know it wasn't Ed. Shinn said it himself in my Tempe review, "we don't want to make people think." I think it's fine if Ed wants to make an official statement about the allegations, but I think he should call the new band what it is, Live with a new lead singer, even if there is a certain suspension of disbelief required for people to be immersed in Chris managing songs that come from Ed's unique inspiration.

I misread one of your words.. "can" , "can't".

Don't agree that Chris is in Ed's image. The new generation of concert goers wouldn't be able to pick Ed out of a line-up, so their inability to know that it's a new singer is irrelevant. The fans know and the casuals wouldn't. The casuals are just that, they casually might know a few lyrics but they aren't going to be so familiar as to pick out a concert live voice and discern it from a 20 year old studio recording. For fuck's sake, Ed doesn't even sound like the recording.

Image wise, Chris doesn't look like Ed. Has hair, totally different stage demeanor. Dresses differently.

Ed has no right in any way to critique Live. He walked away. It's obvious he expected Live to just fade away with him leaving. It's funny to hear him say "counterfeit", when he continues to play Live tracks and the studio musicians up on stage with him can't do the songs the same justice CCP can. It was a split and both sides are going to continue to use what made them famous and both are going to dislike that the other is still doing it. To be fair, I find Ed more of the hypocrite because he walked away and claimed to want to move on from Live. CCP are just trying to continue on, they didn't walk away and have never stated to want to move on from Live.

Gotta leave the "re-recording" thing alone. Nick has bought it up a bunch. It's a non-issue unless they release the recording to the public or for sale. They put them up for streaming for people to hear. We ripped them into MP3s. It's not like they rerecorded and re-released Throwing Copper.

[Bremang]

To be fair, I find Ed more of the hypocrite because he walked away and claimed to want to move on from Live. CCP are just trying to continue on, they didn't walk away and have never stated to want to move on from Live.

I guess the image thing isn't really an issue, I think maybe you're right that Ed didn't want Live to exist without him. He might just dislike other people playing his songs. But again, you gotta clarify the whole walking away thing. He was fired by CCP, otherwise there's no indication that the original lineup would have disbanded. Seems there would have most likely been another Live record with Ed.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Sep 10 2013, 2:48 am

[PurdueSteve]

I guess the image thing isn't really an issue, I think maybe you're right that Ed didn't want Live to exist without him. He might just dislike other people playing his songs. But again, you gotta clarify the whole walking away thing. He was fired by CCP, otherwise there's no indication that the original lineup would have disbanded. Seems there would have most likely been another Live record with Ed.

It's been stated over and over that Ed walked away. That the band reached out at the end of the hiatus and Ed refused. At some point they had to technically fire him so they could move forward, but it was Ed that walked away. Ed at the time was claiming that he needed to explore a different path that he wanted something different from Live (all the while playing nothing but Live songs in shows). It was pretty well discussed, not sure how you missed.

[Lakini's Juice]

Bet he's disappointed CCP really went full retard with the information after the separation and it's a miracle he kept it to himself as long as he did. It's like the jealous ex spreading immature rumours after a bad breakup. As far as Ed's actions are concerned, i wasn't there, so i can't really shed any light on that, no-one but only the 4 individuals that were Live can.

That said, i was really disappointed when Chad G ranted on private chat about this and later with Chad T in the media. It's unprofessional. People jumping on the CCP-bandwagon aren't different either. All you can do when you hear a story like that is take it in and realise there are two sides to the story, instead of bashing the person who was the reason Live existed in the first place.

Don't think "Live" will get the spark back they once had if they carry on the way they are doing now. Had more respect for them when they did Gracious Few, but carrying on under the Live-flag with a different singer, performing lyrics written by their "ex-traitor-leadsinger" seems hypocritical.

[Live4Life]

Ed only walked away because he was threatened with being fired.

[Live4Life]

Bet he's disappointed CCP really went full retard with the information after the separation and it's a miracle he kept it to himself as long as he did. It's like the jealous ex spreading immature rumours after a bad breakup. As far as Ed's actions are concerned, i wasn't there, so i can't really shed any light on that, no-one but only the 4 individuals that were Live can.

That said, i was really disappointed when Chad G ranted on private chat about this and later with Chad T in the media. It's unprofessional. People jumping on the CCP-bandwagon aren't different either. All you can do when you hear a story like that is take it in and realise there are two sides to the story, instead of bashing the person who was the reason Live existed in the first place.

Don't think "Live" will get the spark back they once had if they carry on the way they are doing now. Had more respect for them when they did Gracious Few, but carrying on under the Live-flag with a different singer, performing lyrics written by their "ex-traitor-leadsinger" seems hypocritical.

Nah, If there's one thing ed is NOT is disappointed. LOL. I hate the word retard and the way you used it here but meh, no biggie.
And again you're correct, no one really knows the whole deal exept them.
They may THINK they do but they have no real clue.
There is usually 3 sides to every story.
Thiers , his and the TRUTH. I can only hope that now you might understand a little better of my points i was trying to make back when we met.
Ed never had lead singer syndrome...he just wanted things to be right and fair.
Can't say i blame him.
Sure, people sing other peoples songs all the time and bands get new singers but in this case, it just aint working and it isn't going to from what i have seen..

Edit, spelling error

This post has been edited by Live4Life: Sep 10 2013, 2:44 pm

[PurdueSteve]

Bet he's disappointed CCP really went full retard with the information after the separation and it's a miracle he kept it to himself as long as he did. It's like the jealous ex spreading immature rumours after a bad breakup. As far as Ed's actions are concerned, i wasn't there, so i can't really shed any light on that, no-one but only the 4 individuals that were Live can.

That said, i was really disappointed when Chad G ranted on private chat about this and later with Chad T in the media. It's unprofessional. People jumping on the CCP-bandwagon aren't different either. All you can do when you hear a story like that is take it in and realise there are two sides to the story, instead of bashing the person who was the reason Live existed in the first place.

Don't think "Live" will get the spark back they once had if they carry on the way they are doing now. Had more respect for them when they did Gracious Few, but carrying on under the Live-flag with a different singer, performing lyrics written by their "ex-traitor-leadsinger" seems hypocritical.

I think it's a bit disingenious to say "I wasn't there" so we have to assume 50/50. It's true that we probably don't know every little detail but it's also possible to err on the side that makes sense. Not that this hasn't been beaten around before but oh well:

1) CCP started the band
2) Ed came a little later
3) The band was a great success in earlier years, Ed was the principle engineer of the music but there was collaboration
4) Collaboration drifted and CCP have owned up responsibility in part on their end for letting it drift
5) The band success fell, Ed was in more direct control
6) The claims of the "secret contract" occurred and make relevant sense around the rest of what we "know"
7) Ed was writing new material intending for it be a new Live album (Zion was the track)
8) Apparently around the same time CCP (or at least CT) were also wanting to get more involved and were writing material. The main riff for what become "Honest Man" was once a Live song called "Believe" and was played in concert
9) Shortly thereafter the hiatus was announced
10) Lawsuits, mudslinging, ect
11) Hiatus over - Ed publically declared that he didn't want to work with or talk to "those individuals" ever again
12) CCP moved on with Live

It doesn't take a rocket scientist or a crystal ball to get the gist of what happened. Hiding behind a "I wasn't there so I don't know" argument isn't really valid applied to the broad scope of everything that we absolutely do know.

For sake of argument, let's assume it was an equal 50/50 blame for the split and demise of the band the devaluation of the Live brand. No one is right and no one is wrong. Why should CCP just give up Live because Ed wanted to pursue a solo career? If you, and others, want to take the ambivalent position, why do you take the position that CCP should have just given up on their life's work, with a forced hand by someone else? Ed was largely responsible for Live's success (and subsequent failure) but despite the tone that some suggest around here, it was not a 1 man show. Ed was not the Dave Grohl of Live. Ed did not write and perform all instruments. Ed may have been largely the most valuable or contributor member of the 4, but it was not him alone. CCP invested their lives into Live. The countless nights and months touring. The ups and downs of being in a successful band, ect. Whose to suggest, including Ed himself, that they are supposed to just walk away and give it up because Ed decided he wanted to go solo?