Edward Kowalcyzk, How would you? Options

[Pokey]

I thought I'd try a 5//5 version

Youthful creative intensity early on // ended up a bit shit

[SinfulEyes]

I thought I'd try a 5//5 version

Youthful creative intensity early on // ended up a bit shit

Wow that's very good. Creative, too.

[FishOutaWater]

People don't know real Ed

I got to spend a little time back stage before and after shows over a period of a few years before the 2009 hiatus and I saw some examples of Ed's interaction with the band and the crew, and the band and the crew's interaction with each other. I some some examples of Ed being a not so nice friendly guy. I also had a few examples of Ed being not so nice to me personally. I don't claim to know Ed, but to the extent that I can be a judge of character based on limited public interaction, and what has been alleged by his former band members, friends and some business associates, and what is alleged in legal actions filed in real courts of law (which must have a legitimate factual and legal basis upon which to state a claim), I suspect that he is not as nice as he tends to portray to fans as a marketing image. Anyone who is still a big fan of Ed just can't or won't see it.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Dec 5 2012, 10:33 am

[SinfulEyes]

I got to spend a little time back stage before and after shows over a period of a few years before the 2009 hiatus and I saw some examples of Ed's interaction with the band and the crew, and the band and the crew's interaction with each other. I some some examples of Ed being a not so nice friendly guy. I also had a few examples of Ed being not so nice to me personally. I don't claim to know Ed, but to the extent that I can be a judge of character based on limited public interaction, and what has been alleged by his former band members, friends and some business associates, and what is alleged in legal actions filed in real courts of law (which must have a legitimate factual and legal basis upon which to state a claim), I suspect that he is not as nice as he tends to portray to fans as a marketing image. Anyone who is still a big fan of Ed just can't or won't see it.

Absolutely agree with you. Fans like Nick should have went with their gut and first impression of Ed. Nick saw him for what he was and he was initially correct about him. Ed has perfected the art of making fans feel like his friends for his own benefit. Makes him an even worse person to use weak minded people for his personal gain.

That being said, how about "manipulating jerk takes advantage of saps"?

[World Dreamer]

Absolutely agree with you. Fans like Nick should have went with their gut and first impression of Ed. Nick saw him for what he was and he was initially correct about him. Ed has perfected the art of making fans feel like his friends for his own benefit. Makes him an even worse person to use weak minded people for his personal gain.

That being said, how about "manipulating jerk takes advantage of saps"?

Makes use of useful idiots.

[Pokey]

I got to spend a little time back stage before and after shows over a period of a few years before the 2009 hiatus and I saw some examples of Ed's interaction with the band and the crew, and the band and the crew's interaction with each other. I some some examples of Ed being a not so nice friendly guy. I also had a few examples of Ed being not so nice to me personally. I don't claim to know Ed, but to the extent that I can be a judge of character based on limited public interaction, and what has been alleged by his former band members, friends and some business associates, and what is alleged in legal actions filed in real courts of law (which must have a legitimate factual and legal basis upon which to state a claim), I suspect that he is not as nice as he tends to portray to fans as a marketing image. Anyone who is still a big fan of Ed just can't or won't see it.

As much as I normally want Nick to stfu all the time, I would love to hear him flesh out what he means when he says "Ed's no angel" and "Ed's not perfect" ... he's said both and ever since SOY they are the closest he's ever come to anything negative about Ed, he uses them as blanket statements... but I'd like to know where he draws those conclusions from.

I wonder if he doesn't believe it, but says it in some feeble attempt to try and seem non bias. Or does he mean in the past Ed has been no good (hence the soy tantrums) but now he's wonderful in every way? He said it in the present tense ... so surely even through his love of Ed, there has to be something inside of Nick that see's the negative parts of Ed? Hell I can see the negative aspects to CCP. Or at least CT. But, what Nick means by being no angel would be interesting, assuming of course like I say, that it isn't just a cover up.
Maybe Ed hit on Nick's wife like he is famous for doing but Nick didn't have the balls to stand up to him?

But you're right Fish, Ed put on the nice guy act, all smiles, never a problem in the world, lives in happy land. But with so many examples of his shittery, examples we can all see online, in videos, from eye witness accounts such as yours and Jayda's, I've had my own too, from people the words of those who know him best and friends who know the people who know him best ... where there's smoke there's fire and there is so much bad stuff about Eddie K out there that it all has to stem from somewhere, these aren't all just wild stabs in the dark at made up fictitious stories about him, they're based on real things we can see and show examples of. It's not all some conspiracy to bring him down, that would just be, dare I say it, reeedick. No, the mere fact there are SO many damning examples of Ed's bad character just leads me to believe that his Mr Nice Guy act is just that, an act.

Damnit. That was more than 5 words, sorry Sinful

[PurdueSteve]

Former lead singer of Live

^^^ The Winner ^^^

[SinfulEyes]

^^^ The Winner ^^^

I agree.

I think his 5 word description is still in an evolutionary phase since his music and reputation is all over the board. Clearly Ed is still trying to figure himself out so until he actually realizes who he is, it's really hard to describe him other than that.

[World Dreamer]

Speaking of five word phrases...anyone heard any new Ed lyrics?

[Beardan]

You're forgiven Jayda. I couldnt be unhappy with someone called Jayda given my 5 day old daughter is called Jada..!!

Alot of you guys are down on Ed for a few (maybe valid) reasons but I dont think constantly criticizing him is good for anyone. I am disappointed ive never heard Ed's version of events over the last 3-4 years (maybe he has spoken about it somewhere that i havent heard about) but i think things havent worked out that great for Live, a band we all grew up listening to and watching (I think i saw 12 Live shows in Australia) but bagging out Ed constantly i think is harsh. I think if Ed came out and was open and honest about a few things he would win you lot back. Deep down im sure you all have some love and respect for the bloke. Hope you can support him again down the track..!!

[SinfulEyes]

You're forgiven Jayda. I couldnt be unhappy with someone called Jayda given my 5 day old daughter is called Jada..!!

Alot of you guys are down on Ed for a few (maybe valid) reasons but I dont think constantly criticizing him is good for anyone. I am disappointed ive never heard Ed's version of events over the last 3-4 years (maybe he has spoken about it somewhere that i havent heard about) but i think things havent worked out that great for Live, a band we all grew up listening to and watching (I think i saw 12 Live shows in Australia) but bagging out Ed constantly i think is harsh. I think if Ed came out and was open and honest about a few things he would win you lot back. Deep down im sure you all have some love and respect for the bloke. Hope you can support him again down the track..!!

Nice post. I find it very reasonable to believe that if Ed actually came out and was honest about what happened and his actions then it certainly would win a lot of fans back. For the time being, I find him repulsive.

[OutToDry]

You're forgiven Jayda. I couldnt be unhappy with someone called Jayda given my 5 day old daughter is called Jada..!!

Alot of you guys are down on Ed for a few (maybe valid) reasons but I dont think constantly criticizing him is good for anyone. I am disappointed ive never heard Ed's version of events over the last 3-4 years (maybe he has spoken about it somewhere that i havent heard about) but i think things havent worked out that great for Live, a band we all grew up listening to and watching (I think i saw 12 Live shows in Australia) but bagging out Ed constantly i think is harsh. I think if Ed came out and was open and honest about a few things he would win you lot back. Deep down im sure you all have some love and respect for the bloke. Hope you can support him again down the track..!!

Let me give you the facts. Ed's never told anyone of what he did. He's done a lot of it in secret and through methods backhanded treachery!!

He's been asked in a few interviews, see attached where he's totally annoyed with the interviewer. He's denied all these allegations and hasn't really spoken much about it in a few years. A few of us are going to ride him hard and heavy, and really until he fixes the issue or is made too, (the many issues, and there are many and some will make many more dislike him (strictly in a band related way)

Ed's actually lied in these interviews too as it turns out. His body language in this would make any lie detector go off the charts


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDI8Y69d2g

He was doing more than trying to cover budgets. The truth is Ed is 1000% dishonest. Stay tuned.

He could have and had his chance to come clean, but he wants to do it the hard way. I'll go even further and say he's not very smart and wasn't a very smart deceiver.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Dec 5 2012, 7:05 pm

[jayda]

You're forgiven Jayda. I couldnt be unhappy with someone called Jayda given my 5 day old daughter is called Jada..!!

that is fabulous news!!! many congrats on your beautiful daughter with the fantastic name I only know one other IRL.

[jayda]

Alot of you guys are down on Ed for a few (maybe valid) reasons but I dont think constantly criticizing him is good for anyone. I am disappointed ive never heard Ed's version of events over the last 3-4 years (maybe he has spoken about it somewhere that i havent heard about) but i think things havent worked out that great for Live, a band we all grew up listening to and watching (I think i saw 12 Live shows in Australia) but bagging out Ed constantly i think is harsh. I think if Ed came out and was open and honest about a few things he would win you lot back. Deep down im sure you all have some love and respect for the bloke. Hope you can support him again down the track..!!

I think we just like to shit stir too much as well but I'm pretty sure a lot of it is justified - if only for Nick's benefit!