Live / EK Mediation Day, Dec 14, 2012 Options

[Hobbsy]

What is the problem if they settle? They'll only settle if they come to agreement. I don't think any serious shit eating needs to be done if that's the case.

Guess time will tell. They probably won't disclose terms of any settlement/agreement but I think some of it will be fairly obviously if you follow the band.

The key word is agreement - Ed believes he's done nothing wrong - I can't see him agreeing to anything. He doesn't want to talk about, writes and sings songs about being wronged.......

In his eyes he's the innocent party - I'm starting to think it will end up in the courts - hope I'm wrong though.

[Pokey]

Hence my theory that if Ed settles he's basically admitting guilt. He's so adament that he's innocent and done nothing wrong, yet a settlement will be basically him backing down in some regards. Do people think his thought process is really: "Wow here are my life long friends who are trying to steal my money and ruin how I run my career, I am very, very hurt by this, out of the goodness of my heart I won't fight them and I'll give them some money and make a nice easy agreement with them".

Ed has never said a nice thing about CCP since the split, he won't even acknowledge them beyond "those individuals" whereas CT has at least expressed remorse over what's happened with Ed and acknowledged his contributions and friendship. Why would EK, who can't even bring himself to publicly say the name of his former band mates and friends be so willing to do whats right by them and everyone and settle?

It's just complete bullshit, if Ed settles he's admitting guilt as far as I'm concerned.

[jayda]

From my experience there is a lot of pressure to settle during mediation. The hard word will be put on all parties involved whether they think they are the wronged party, misguided or otherwise.

I like the fact that he will finally have to come face to face with CCCP (if everyone turns up of course and not just counsel acting for them). No guts to do it before this.

[jayda]

Settling is not about admitting liability though. This is just a process to get it out of the Courts. It doesn't mean one party is right or wrong if it settles.

[OutToDry]

What is the problem if they settle? They'll only settle if they come to agreement. I don't think any serious shit eating needs to be done if that's the case.

Guess time will tell. They probably won't disclose termgs of any settlement/agreement but I think some of it will be fairly obviously if you follow the band.

Expect to hear something.

[OutToDry]

The key word is agreement - Ed believes he's done nothing wrong - I can't see him agreeing to anything. He doesn't want to talk about, writes and sings songs about being wronged.......

In his eyes he's the innocent party - I'm starting to think it will end up in the courts - hope I'm wrong though.

Go back and read what I wrote in this thread and others.

[OutToDry]

Hence my theory that if Ed settles he's basically admitting guilt. He's so adament that he's innocent and done nothing wrong, yet a settlement will be basically him backing down in some regards. Do people think his thought process is really: "Wow here are my life long friends who are trying to steal my money and ruin how I run my career, I am very, very hurt by this, out of the goodness of my heart I won't fight them and I'll give them some money and make a nice easy agreement with them".

Ed has never said a nice thing about CCP since the split, he won't even acknowledge them beyond "those individuals" whereas CT has at least expressed remorse over what's happened with Ed and acknowledged his contributions and friendship. Why would EK, who can't even bring himself to publicly say the name of his former band mates and friends be so willing to do whats right by them and everyone and settle?

It's just complete bullshit, if Ed settles he's admitting guilt as far as I'm concerned.

Read my lips......he's busted.

[Pokey]

Of course not, it's not black and white, hence it just being my theory, but at the same time I can't help but think that Ed has put out there even in song how innocent he is and how strong he is and has been that not seeing it through is not living up to what he is saying. How can you take a lyric like "I've done nothing wrong/Gonna show them who is strong" seriously when the guy folds under what is apparently a completely 100% false lawsuit according to him?
That's like saying I can sue you for running over my dog, which is completely false as I don't have a dog and you didn't run it over, but hey just settle and I'll at least get some free money and it's easier for you that way. Extremely basic example, the complexities aren't there, but the principals are the same. Point is, if Ed is as innocent as he claims, then he should see it through and wipe the floor with CCP in court. I don't see any benefit to Ed in settling if he is innocent because he would still in effect then be paying money and whatever else is agreed upon to people he apparently never wronged. All because it's easier? Weak. Maybe for the likes of you and me who aren't rich we'd seek the easy and less costly way out if we weren't assured a victory. But even though we rag on Ed for SFBM and Alive and such not doing so well, he's still a wealthy man with the means to fight this.

I guess if we didn't know all the other stuff we do about him then again maybe I'd let something like this attitude slide, but with all that's come out about Ed I can't help but draw this conclusion. I mean once again, a question that never got answered was: if there was absolutely nothing wrong with the secret contract and it was all above board, fair and just ... why the hell was it done in secret? Yeah there's someone who has nothing to hide, someone who is rising up that's done nothing wrong and show them who is strong.

[OutToDry]

He hid lots, or so he thought

[jayda]

Expect to hear something.

I must disagree with you OTD because that is one of the huge benefits of mediation - that the mediation remains confidential unlike if it were to go on to court, then free for all in terms of the whole world knowing what went on.

[jayda]

Pokey, in terms of wealth, I doubt anyone here really knows whether Ed is rolling in it. Maybe he made some poor financial decisions, maybe he lost money in the GFC, maybe he lived the music star's life during LIVE's heyday and he doesn't have so much to show for it today...maybe he is rolling in it and even if he is, litigation is so fucking financially consuming that there will be huge pressure for it all to be settled. The mediator will be hoping to guide them to come to their own mutually agreeable resolution because that will so not happen in court. That will be out of everyones' except the judge's hands.

[Pokey]

Pokey, in terms of wealth, I doubt anyone here really knows whether Ed is rolling in it. Maybe he made some poor financial decisions, maybe he lost money in the GFC, maybe he lived the music star's life during LIVE's heyday and he doesn't have so much to show for it today...maybe he is rolling in it and even if he is, litigation is so fucking financially consuming that there will be huge pressure for it all to be settled. The mediator will be hoping to guide them to come to their own mutually agreeable resolution because that will so not happen in court. That will be out of everyones' except the judge's hands.

Huge pressure BUT Ed has done nothing wrong and he will show them who is strong! So strong in fact that the innocent man folds under pressure and makes agreements that a totally innocent man shouldn't have to.

Also, no we don't know Ed's net wealth, and I'm sure it isn't at it's peak, but I'm fairly confident he's not hardly done by. All of his money grabbing tactics do paint a picture of a man in a bit of financial strife desperate for some cash. But on the other hand, it's all he has, he doesn't have the businesses and such that CCP put in place (that we know of - see what I did there Nick, I left myself open for the possibility that my statement of fact could be incorrect, something you should learn to do). The mediator can try to guide it to a mutually agreeable resolution, true, but if one side digs their heels in and is intent on going to court, then theres no one that can make them settle.
And again, if I was Ed and if I was totally innocent sitting in that mediation meeting having someone tell me what is an agreeable or acceptable amount to resolve things I'd be thinking "hang on, why am I paying a single cent to them when I haven't done anything wrong?" and then there would be no agreeable amount, I'd want my name and reputation cleared in court .. yes I may have to pay money for legal fees and what not, but if it spares me paying money to the people who tried to cause this injustice to me, then so be it.

I just can't see a man with Ed' profession of innocence and strength folding for anything less than seeing the thing through to the end without it being some admission of guilt on his part to take the easy way out. In his mind IF he was innocent, he'd be doing what was easy as opposed to what is right ... hope all the Eddie K fans love listening to his inspirational music of how tough and strong he is when it's proven to all be words and when in reality his message is "take the easy way out".

[jayda]

Ahh but see, the mediator will just guide. And that's why they are mediators - they know how to do this under difficult circumstances (insert arseholes like Ed) and you know what, I bet they've had to mediate bigger egotistical dicks than Ed in their careers!

No one can tell me that Ed does not want this to go away. It's there hanging over his shoulders, day in, day out, when he goes to bed at night and hears that dolphin cry, first thing in the morning, when he's thinking of his girls' college funds, looking at that unmoving merch at his shows and partially why he's coming up with all those fucking horrible songs.

Neither of the parties will have to make an admission of guilt by settling. It will be led so that any resolution is mutually agreeable by the parties...even if it practically kills one MF to have to do it!

And who knows, we might even get a (thinly veiled) song out of Ed about it - how cool would that be Nick

[Hobbsy]

A title track called "Reamed" comes to mind.

[Pokey]

Oh I know no parties will have to make an admission of guilt, I'm saying that by Ed settling he may as well be making an admission of guilt. Ed will be quite happy to never ever have to speak of it out of complete embarrassment and guilty feelings.

We'll get some song about how great and nice he is that he settled rather than fight and how blood is thicker than water, but water is still water so it's the best .. or something.