The Songwriting of Live Options

[FishOutaWater]

It just shows that CCP took advantage of the agreement, let Ed do the bulk of the work, and still took the same cut of the money. If they were true friends, they would have reworked the initial agreement to make the percentages reflect the workload of each member. Instead, they sat back and collected.

I don't know and you don't know. But I am guessing that the contract did not have covenants and obligatoins requiring each one of them to write songs. It was an agreement that just split up the pie 1/4 each. Ed lived under that contract until he presented an ultimatum. So, no, they didn't "take advantage" of a contract. Those are your words. That is you feeding bullshit to the universe.

And I think that it has been proven that without the contributions of Chad, Pat and Taylor, the songs would have sounded like Ed, Ed, Ed and Throwing Copper and the other albums among the first 4 would have sounded like Alive. They didn't sit back and collect. They did what they did and it worked out well for Live, including Ed

[jayda]

It just shows that CCP took advantage of the agreement, let Ed do the bulk of the work, and still took the same cut of the money. If they were true friends, they would have reworked the initial agreement to make the percentages reflect the workload of each member. Instead, they sat back and collected.

What work was that? Dreaming up new coffee blends to sell on Cyber Monday and having it vetoed by CCP?

Since when do you know what percentage of workload each member did? Is that another bit of info shared with you during Nick does EdHeads?

[Copperhead]

I hope Ed is sharing a reasonable percentage of revenue from his coffee brewery and winery. How much is he actually contributing to those products? No manual labor involved. Just a picture and a name? I'm sure he is taking more than he is giving.

[alexou]

So CCP did 75 percent of the song writing for TDTH, V, and BOP?

TDTH is special and even if it could have been way different with rockier songs, I'm sure that the guys contributed to that amount. Anyway, the contract was still valid, no?

For V if I remember well, they recorded together a bit in the process of creating fun music...the record company took control of this. hard to blame any of the guys for this one.

BOP well, if Ed had issues about the royalties then why he waited that long? I can't argue that Ed is the "driving force" of this "masterpiece", but the contract was still on. So CCP waited too long to get away, but Ed did wait too long to negociate royalties. So communication in the band was really bad at that time.

[World Dreamer]

It just shows that CCP took advantage of the agreement, let Ed do the bulk of the work, and still took the same cut of the money. If they were true friends, they would have reworked the initial agreement to make the percentages reflect the workload of each member. Instead, they sat back and collected.

What do you want them to do? Sit down with a calculator and count up each word and/or note each one of them thought of for each song?

"Well, Ed, on this song you came up with 78 of the 100 words, CT, you had 12, PD, you had 10 and CAG, you had 10....divide by the bass line...square root of the drums....and multiply by the guitar solo...let's see here...oh, right, Railo...you passed out but you still played 15 notes on the keyboard soooo...that comes to a split of....oh, right, Adam, let's see...what's that Ed? Oh, you are taking his cut? Oh, ok...."

Nick, you are an insane person.

[OutToDry]

Why such the concern for which band members get what percentage of royalties? Enjoy the music. It's like you are his agent and get paid a percentage of his revenue.

No Ed has a manager and agent....Nick is simply trying to dream all that as fact and act it out. plenty of proof of this.....idol worship.



He got a few crumbs of being FB admin. Nick states he and Ed are not friends.....then says Ed has his moments but wont elaborate.......it's political spin doctoring to try to stay both sides of the fence.......practicing to be popular......hoping to get acceptance from everyone he preys on. Missing out on nurturing while in early development is the best answer for this.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Nov 28 2012, 7:27 pm

[themaestro]

Secret Samadhi charted #1 due to the overwhelming success of Throwing Copper(especially Lightning Crashes which just exploded). The album itself was a disappointment to many fans(not me) and began Live's slide down off the mainstream.

SS charted at #1 thanks to the success of lead single Lakini's Juice. It's a wonder it did as well as it did. Fans said what the fuck is he singing about. CCP carried Ed's ass that entire album. With lyrics like "everybody's here, puke stinks like beer" or 'put another bagel in the oven", that album would have likely even done better as an instrumental.

[OutToDry]

It just shows that CCP took advantage of the agreement, let Ed do the bulk of the work, and still took the same cut of the money. If they were true friends, they would have reworked the initial agreement to make the percentages reflect the workload of each member. Instead, they sat back and collected.

this is your sick twisted verbal diahhrea that your spreading around. So false on every level.

Sat back and collected??????......holy revisionist history batman.

Since youre going to throw that out there..... you're sitting back and collecting too on many levels........ Yeah, how dare you come with that shit.



You're a detestable swine.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Nov 28 2012, 7:25 pm

[themaestro]

Live's journey into the abyss took another step when Ed delivered a decidedly softer side with TDTH. Fans were taken aback, wondering what is this. The music rocks but what is up with Ed and the falsetto. After a brief stay on the charts with TDC, the album and subsequent singles disappeared from the charts. The fan exodus began to speed up with only the most devoted fans seeing past Ed's changing persona and into the real heart of Live, CCP.

This post has been edited by themaestro: Nov 28 2012, 7:32 pm

[OutToDry]

Pretty accurate to a T tm. I looked past for a few years, wisely knowing Ed took over but never publically getting that acknowledgement. Yeah there are many TDTH rockers I hope we'll get to hear someday.......the falsetto simply started many wondering.......WTF is he doing?

[FishOutaWater]

I love the smell of napalm in the morning...

[themaestro]

On the heels of TDTH, Live fans were clamoring for another rocking album. What they got was V. CT has since explained it was not intended as an official release. Doesn't matter though. What matters is that fans know they don't want to hear Ed rapping. And what happened to the lyric writing? Ed is all over the place here and unfortunately some otherwise rocking music by CCP can't save the abomination that is EK on this album. Surprisingly, we also come to find out the during this time frame Ed began pushing and pushing for more control in the band. And this is what we get with more say from Ed? Everyone knows what happened from here on out with Live. Live had a titanic-like drop in popularity and one need only to trace that to Ed's ever increasing influence on Live. CCP had been carrying him for sometime and once he decided to mute them the ship sank.

[OutToDry]

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Nov 28 2012, 7:43 pm

[themaestro]

Longtime, devoted fans were ready to give Live one more chance but when BOP arrived with first single Heaven, everyone knew that the Live they came to enjoy and love so much was gone. To even the most devoted fans, Live was done. Interestingly, with BOP Live did manage to attract a new soft rock audience and with appearances on shows like Ellen they became recognized as safe rock for soccer moms and housewives (and Nick).

This post has been edited by themaestro: Nov 28 2012, 7:54 pm

[themaestro]

Not much to say about SFBM other than pour more salt on the wounded Live fans of long ago. Sure, some longtime fans gave it a spin, none of them expecting much but possibly hoping for a surprise. Based on its performance, even amongst the new set of soft rock fans it failed to resonate as much as things like Rob Thomas or Train. Not even an appearance on American Idol could generate interest in the album. Shortly thereafter Live died a quiet death and although there was much controversy surrounding their breakup not too many people even heard about it or paid much attention.

This post has been edited by themaestro: Nov 28 2012, 8:01 pm