The Songwriting of Live Options

[themaestro]

And they are suing over SFBM song-writing royalties? Seriously?

No, you seemingly referenced the secret contract at issue in the lawsuit, not SFBM. But if you have a beef with SFBM take it up with Ed.

[SJN1279]

No, you seemingly referenced the secret contract at issue in the lawsuit, not SFBM. But if you have a beef with SFBM take it up with Ed.

The contract was signed post Awake, and the only new album was SFBM. Essentially they are suing over SFBM royalties(an album they denounced).

[SJN1279]

Yes, if Ed agreed to it. He enabled them.

They signed their contract in 1990/1991. How was Ed supposed to know that Chad G. and Pat would slack on their song-writing responsibilities while taking 50 percent of the check during the next 15 years? Ed clearly was the chief songwriter for the band throughout Live's run, and he only received 25 percent of the compensation.

[themaestro]

The contract was signed post Awake, and the only new album was SFBM. Essentially they are suing over SFBM royalties(an album they denounced).

You're advocating all credit and royalties to Ed, which I think is what happened on the contract in question. Whatever it is, they didn't agree to that. They all agreed to the SFBM contract. So if you have an issue with Ed not getting enough credit take it up with him. Just as you suggest those in CCP's corner do if they feel they shouldn't have been steamrolled by Ed.

[themaestro]

They signed their contract in 1990/1991. How was Ed supposed to know that Chad G. and Pat would slack on their song-writing responsibilities while taking 50 percent of the check during the next 15 years? Ed clearly was the chief songwriter for the band throughout Live's run, and he only received 25 percent of the compensation.

That's an interesting take. I suppose you also call plexiglass slacking.

[SJN1279]

That's an interesting take. I suppose you also call plexiglass slacking.

Plexiglass has nothing to with Gracey practically taking 25 percent of something he had little to do with.

[themaestro]

Plexiglass has nothing to with Gracey practically taking 25 percent of something he had little to do with.

It has everything to do with Ed trying to mute one of the signature sounds of the band, just as he did the other guys. If you can't hear the profound influence of CCP on Live's first four albums you are deaf. It's there, perhaps not as much on V and BOP but they are clearly still a big part. Again, if you have any beef it should be directed at Ed. After all, you called them enablers for getting in their situation, the same logic would dictate Ed an enabler you hypocrite.

[Pokey]

Plexiglass has nothing to with Gracey practically taking 25 percent of something he had little to do with.

God and how do you KNOW that? You don't, we know CG wrote less than anyone, but we do not know the ins and outs of what, where, amounts, time etc.. How do you know CG didn't contribute one little thing in a song writing process which made the whole song some together? I take it you've never written a song in your life, those "ah-ha!" moments can make and break songs, CG could have come up with one idea that allowed a hit song to flourish into what it is. Maybe he didn't, but maybe he did ... the point is you talk as if you were in the room 100% of the time knowing every little thing that went on, when truth is you do not know fucking shit.


None of this explains why if this contract was so above board and legal and fair why Ed had to do it behind everyone's back ... Ed can sing about being strong, rising up and doing nothing wrong all he wants, but he is a coward who is completely gutless - can't give straight answers when pressed in interviews, can't go about his business in the light of day, can't respond to my questioning; since this is the EP thread, lets tie this in - the lyrics on this EP are a total lie, Ed isn't strong, he's a gutless coward. Anyone finding "inspiration" from this man is either completely blind to what he has done and who he is, or their moral compass is severely damaged, which is your case.

[Pokey]

It has everything to do with Ed trying to mute one of the signature sounds of the band, just as he did the other guys. If you can't hear the profound influence of CCP on Live's first four albums you are deaf. It's there, perhaps not as much on V and BOP but they are clearly still a big part. Again, if you have any beef it should be directed at Ed. After all, you called them enablers for getting in their situation, the same logic would dictate Ed an enabler you hypocrite.

Not to mention something like Paradiso, supposedly a celebration of all the band is and was, Ed in colour, the other guys in black and white ... the guy is just pathetic.

[World Dreamer]

LOL @ Nick trying SO HARD to justify the actions of a scoundrel.

[World Dreamer]

It has everything to do with Ed trying to mute one of the signature sounds of the band, just as he did the other guys. If you can't hear the profound influence of CCP on Live's first four albums you are deaf. It's there, perhaps not as much on V and BOP but they are clearly still a big part. Again, if you have any beef it should be directed at Ed. After all, you called them enablers for getting in their situation, the same logic would dictate Ed an enabler you hypocrite.

Good post. I mean, compare Iris to...well...anything on Shit From Black Mountain.

[themaestro]

It's not enough that Ed got 75% of SFBM, lets rewrite history and give him 100% credit for everything. Oh, and just let the secret contract slide because he deserves that too, and any royalties for the Live recordings he sold on his website. The funny thing is, somehow he's no longer part of the band, not in principle, not contractually, not in any way. Funny how someone who supposedly did everything is now part of nothing. Go on with your arguments Nick, while history proves otherwise.

This post has been edited by themaestro: Nov 27 2012, 2:50 pm

[World Dreamer]

It's not enough that Ed got 75% of SFBM, lets rewrite history and give him 100% credit for everything. Oh, and just let the secret contract slide because he deserves that too, and any royalties for the Live recordings he sold on his website. The funny thing is, somehow he's no longer part of the band, not in principle, not contractually, not in any way. Funny how someone who supposedly did everything is now part of nothing. Go on with your arguments Nick, while history proves otherwise.

Call in the reinforcements, Nick. You need them.

[World Dreamer]

Poll results are hilarious.

According to the poll the album is the same or worse than Alive and the best song is one he didn't even write.

[World Dreamer]

Hey Nick, where is the legion of Ed "lurkers" that you said were scared to post in fear of being insulted? Surely they would vote? I mean, if it is his best work ever, as you claimed it was, shouldn't there be more than 2 votes (I think we all know who made those votes) for the album being better than Alive?

This post has been edited by World Dreamer: Nov 27 2012, 2:59 pm