Will the Real EK please stand up. Options

[briburge]

My guess would be Nicki.

Do I have to blindly follow u and the rest of the crew. I am asking a question dicknose

[SinfulEyes]

Do I have to blindly follow u and the rest of the crew. I am asking a question dicknose

I'm on no crew. I'm an independent Ed hater and do not entirely buy into the new Live yet. I can't make any judgements on the new Live until I hear proper full length records. But I can say with 100% certainty that Ed became a sell-out, ruined Live and should retire.

[briburge]

I'm on no crew. I'm an independent Ed hater and do not entirely buy into the new Live yet. I can't make any judgements on the new Live until I hear proper full length records. But I can say with 100% certainty that Ed became a sell-out, ruined Live and should retire.

I too am crewless

[Sonic Tonic]

I too am crewless

Well unlike you two, I hit the room, me and my crew and it was cool...

[Lerxst]

Just wondering why u are so so mad. Thought u were involved as a photographer or something so I thought u would be hurt financially by him leaving. Not trying to be a dick just wondering.

That's an absolutely fair enough question, I don't think you're being a dick at all. I normally wouldn't even react but mad/upset/hurt, whatever you want to call it, the thing for me is that it was bad enough that Ed trainwrecked the band (yes, I happen to be a fan of the band believe it or not!), backstabbed his buddies, but it was also the manner in which he did it. Words like scheming, plotting, deception, deliberate, shady, etc.. all pop into mind.

To add insult to injury he continues to this day to screw his ex-friends over with his purposeful acts in ignoring copyrights, trademarks (see thread on Deceptive Marketing for more info) and use the Live name for his own promotional and financial gains. It's wrong. Not to mention the fact that he used an image of mine on a shirt to market and sell online and at shows without my consent! It's not even about money really, selling shirts with a photo I took on it? Mehhh... It's about MANNERS and courtesy! And he's lost all his manners with old friends, old bandmates, old crew, what have you... referring to them as "those individuals", cutting people completely out, not even so much as a courtesy hello when in town.. Maybe if Ed did the right thing and moved on with his solo career, stopped practicing copyright infringement, and went about his business to promote his solo career then the criticism I suspect would be much less harsh. I at least would understand it better and respect it.

-Jimmy

This post has been edited by Lerxst: Nov 16 2012, 5:18 pm

[Lerxst]

In other news today... some tidbits to ponder...

Ed continues to be reminded daily that his assumption that the band couldn't possibly move on without him was a mistake. Yes folks, Live is moving on and it's something that Ed simply did not expect to happen. After all he was the "driving force", wrote "all the music", etc..etc. One could say it was a slight miscalculation on his part. It's like sitting at the poker table - he simply overplayed his hand, he wanted to have a solo career but keep the Live name and hold them at bay.

His days of suppressing the creativity of the band in the music, in the studio, and on stage are over. Let's rejoice! While the guys continue to stay in the area and invest in the area of their childhood, and support their towns, helping the local economy putting their money where there mouth is, Ed comes home to York for one thing and one thing only: To make money, relying on a career and his past with Live to make a living. Hardly what one would call "going solo"

It's a beautiful future ahead for Live fans... rejoice.. good things ahead.

-Jimmy

This post has been edited by Lerxst: Nov 17 2012, 4:15 pm

[Liveman94]

It's quite possible you are right Jimmy. Soon Ed may be no more then a 'has been' or 'once was'...unless he gets a hit song or a law suit victory the future doesn't look great for Him.

It's hard to be "of LiVe" playing a venue when LiVe(that very same band) with a new singer could theoretically play the same venue the next day or same week and not have you with them.

But whatever the case with Live moving forward and Ed "losing" this supposed battle it is a hollow victory for almost everyone involved. I'm certain that alienating fans, having a 3 year break and losing a life-long friend is not what anyone would call a happy ending.

The whole situation is sad.

Maybe the new LiVe music will be so good our heads will spin and all of us will forget the whole ridiculous EK v CCCP, Nick V Everyone in the whole wide world of message boards feuds and just get on with loving music from York PA!

[OutToDry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bm0RIs-VJU

[sellingthdrama]

Okay, I watched the first interview and I'm going to defend Ed for a moment. Please be aware that I am in the same boat as most of you; completely disappointed over the last few albums and excited to hear new live with CS.

But, on the lead singer bonus - did he not say during the interview that he had booked studio time for his new album, and that Pinkpop was a last-minute thing, and that he had to cover that expense? Would it have been fair to Ed to have to pay for the studio time and not use it, and whatever other similar costs he incurred by making such a big last-minute schedule change?

I think it's possible that his only crimes with this particular issue were poor communication and not being tactful. If this were really the case, and he communicated it clearly to all parties involved, maybe that issue could've been avoided.

[OutToDry]

the lead singer bonus was only part of his systematic attempt to defraud his friends and bandmates.

[Pokey]

But, on the lead singer bonus - did he not say during the interview that he had booked studio time for his new album, and that Pinkpop was a last-minute thing, and that he had to cover that expense? Would it have been fair to Ed to have to pay for the studio time and not use it, and whatever other similar costs he incurred by making such a big last-minute schedule change?

I still think it's a weak excuse, that may have been what happened, but that doesn't make it any better, why did he not turn down Pinkpop if he had studio time booked? Do we even know if he was in the studio at the time of Pinkpop? Live didn't make it to Pinkpop that year, and if memory serves me correctly, Ed didn't go into the studio until later ... the story stinks to me. Ed was in studio late 2009/early 2010, Pinkpop 09 was in May ... I'd think if there was a conflict and Pinkpop couldn't go through because the plug got pulled on Live because of this "final straw" then Ed should have been in the studio at that time instead. He just threw a whole heap of rambling nonsense in there to try and form some semblance of an answer, it's by far a solid answer he gave.

So, based on that reasoning, I say Ed's answer is just complete bullshit in this interview, which goes hand in hand with his body language, his tone of voice, and just this interview and Ed's character in general.

What I don't understand from people like Nick and Diane, is that if Ed is such a great guy and totally innocent of so many of these things ... how come it's just so easy for him to look so guilty all the time and offer up all these invitations for people to poke holes in his character. The fact people like Jimmy and former close friends say so many people deserted him, the undeniable selling of shoddy merch at high price, the undeniable fact he didn't pay royalties for his bootlegs, interviews like this ... if he was just such a great guy and so innocent, then surely we'd all be sitting around scratching our heads wondering what kind of dirt we could throw at him ... but we just have piles and piles of examples of wrong doings. Where there's smoke there's fire, and the smoke surrounding Ed is pretty damn thick.
If all the accusations thrown at Ed were fake and he's such a great guy and innocent, and as he says "never done anything dishonest", then why is there just countless examples that keep turning up against his favour?
The much simpler answer is that Ed is just a guilty man that has done some bad things, you might not like it if you love his music, but that's how it is.

But I suppose some people prefer to think of the thing as a huge stitch up of an innocent man, what a huge conspiracy, guess the moon landing was fake too.

This post has been edited by Pokey: Nov 18 2012, 2:15 pm

[apesce1]

In other news today... some tidbits to ponder...

Ed continues to be reminded daily that his assumption that the band couldn't possibly move on without him was a mistake. Yes folks, Live is moving on and it's something that Ed simply did not expect to happen. After all he was the "driving force", wrote "all the music", etc..etc. One could say it was a slight miscalculation on his part. It's like sitting at the poker table - he simply overplayed his hand, he wanted to have a solo career but keep the Live name and hold them at bay.

His days of suppressing the creativity of the band in the music, in the studio, and on stage are over. Let's rejoice! While the guys continue to stay in the area and invest in the area of their childhood, and support their towns, helping the local economy putting their money where there mouth is, Ed comes home to York for one thing and one thing only: To make money, relying on a career and his past with Live to make a living. Hardly what one would call "going solo"

It's a beautiful future ahead for Live fans... rejoice.. good things ahead.

-Jimmy

Well stated brother.

[sellingthdrama]

I will say this, though, I listened to Part 2 - and I'd have to describe some of what Ed's saying as delusional. He's stating how his solo album Grace brings back some freshness missing from the last few albums (which frankly I've been hearing since BOP), and the feedback he's getting is that Grace is reminiscent of TDTH with the "dark edge or intensity" (starting about 2:45 of part 2).

Part of me wants to go "you are delusional", but part of me feels really bad that he used to be part of such great music and can't reach that right now, and that he's not being honest with himself about it. It's one thing to be in the weeds but then to pretend you're not... it's sad.

[OutToDry]

you can say that, his old pals kind of tell him that too.

[jayda]

I will say this, though, I listened to Part 2 - and I'd have to describe some of what Ed's saying as delusional. He's stating how his solo album Grace brings back some freshness missing from the last few albums (which frankly I've been hearing since BOP), and the feedback he's getting is that Grace is reminiscent of TDTH with the "dark edge or intensity" (starting about 2:45 of part 2).

Part of me wants to go "you are delusional", but part of me feels really bad that he used to be part of such great music and can't reach that right now, and that he's not being honest with himself about it. It's one thing to be in the weeds but then to pretend you're not... it's sad.

sometimes if you say something often enough, you believe it yourself and have others believe it.

he's full of it.