Deceptive marketing of Ed Kowalczyk Options

[SJN1279]

He wrote some (music), not all, not the majority. Lyrics, yes all Ed. and it was great stuff until 2000.

The music includes the entire combination. Ed was 1/4th. Dissertation to follow.

So CCP wrote the music for V and BOP?

[World Dreamer]

I think it is important to point out the statement CT made about his music being the canvas for Ed's lyrics. He gave Ed something tangible to write to. That is pretty important.

When that stopped and Ed started doing everything the dynamic and uniqueness of the music really changed. It all began to run together. I mean, SFBM might as well be one long song.

When one person took control the music became one-dimensional. That is proof enough that contributions the other three made resulted in more diverse and successful music and are completely undervalued by some here.

[OutToDry]

So CCP wrote the music for V and BOP?

You're selectively slanting into the corner as you're being bitch slapped. Sure lets talk about V and BOP.

[Pokey]

So CCP wrote the music for V and BOP?

I love how you basically ignored any of my points which specifically deal with this.

Why don't you tell us how you KNOW Ed wrote the majority of everything from the early days? Why don't you tell us what bits Ed did and didn't write? You seem to know so much about the topic, tell us which drum bits and which bass bits that Ed wrote for the guys. Tell us all how the quality of the music didn't suffer at all when Ed took soul song writing credits.
Surely you can since you seem to be such an authority on it. Oh wait, no, you're just parroting everything Ed says about being THE song writer.
Seriously, you know fucking squat.

But go on, tell us what specifics you know and where you form these facts from?

You're unbelievable, you spit in the face of the rest of the band for their contributions, essentially saying that Ed is bigger than Live, yet you want Ed back in Live ... why? So that he can get some more money right? Dude, you are fucking messed in the head.
No one here is disputing Ed's contributions to the band from the early days, we know he wrote some great stuff, you just seem incapable of accepting reality that this was once a BAND that wrote TOGETHER.

Fuck you don't even know HOW an album or music is written.

[alexou]

I really hate how the rythm section is particularly bashed by sir Nick. I saw Live 3 times circa 2006 and hell Pat and Chad (particularly Pat) were saving the show. Because Pat wasn't told which note to hit, so in concerts we hear him a lot jamming in some songs because else they would just feel empty like the studio versions. Come on Nick, listen to Wings on the DvD. If it is not for Pat there's no song. Listen to Operation Spirit...compare the bass lines to the SPI...RAT of your king.

So to say that Pat and Chad didn't contribute equally in the first records make me mad. Not only the quality of the music shows a good collaboration, but like Pokey said, where did you read that Ed played everything? Without the rythm section, Live is nothing. If tou like Mental Jewelry Nick, I think Pat and Chad own more than 50% of the cake. They just hold the record together. And even when the guitars became louder, listen Nick, really listen to the music...and no la da da da and ooooooohoooooooo aren't necessarly music.

[Pokey]

To be honest, Live's rhythm section is their biggest strength. Ed HAD a good voice, he had a dynamic and organic stage presence, but it is gone now, and as Fish pointed out once, he's never been the greatest lyricist ever even from the beginning. CT writes some really nice guitar parts, but with all due respect to him, he's just an above average guitar player ... your jaw doesn't hit the floor when he plays (heh, call me a fanboy now Mightyhet), CT's biggest strength was his 1%'ers, the little touches he added. But the rhythm section of Live, god damn now THERE is a beast. CT and PD's work together is just magic, and I imagine would be the envy of a lot of bands, bands that know their shit about music. If you know anything about music, it's that Live had a hugely talented rhythm section ... Ed muted one of them rendering them unheard on albums and he put the other in a glass box on stage. Fucking pathetic.

[OutToDry]

Rhythm Section


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UX-TpKvvwis

[Lerxst]

So when LIVE tours, they'll be singing all the hits that they didn't even write.

You're an idiot. They'll be *PLAYING* the hits that they help write. Singing, believe it or not, does not a band make. There is will also be singing! Imagine that! You should also review copyrights and come to the realization that:

1. Ed didn't write all the hits
2. Ed also didn't write all the music of all those hits either.

You truly are blinded by the "It was all me" message that you're being fed by your hero.

-Jimmy

[Lerxst]

Pat rarely did and Gracey practically never did.

You truly show your ignorance here Nick. Do you even know music? Next you will tell me Ed played all the bass parts, wrote all the bass lines, and if I gave him a set of drumsticks, he'd be able to sit behind a drumkit and do all of Gracey's fills, all his drum parts, keep that impeccable timing, and do it all behind that stupid plexiglass prison? It's clear you don't know anything about music except that Ed is your god.

Do you even know what a rhythm section is? Do you know between singer, keyboardist, guitarist, bassist and drummer, which part of a band makes up that section? I'll give you a hint, Live has one of the tightest and best rhythm section you'll find. More importantly ED has nothing to do with it, so keep dreaming that Ed was responsible for everything including what CT, PD, and CG brought to the table musically.

-Jimmy

[Lerxst]

So CCP wrote the music for V and BOP?

Bow bow everybody in the hotel..
Bow bow everybody in the motel..

You're a joke Nick. So tell me, do you think V and BOP are representative of Live's best work? LOL

Is it true you really have a poster of Ed on your ceiling?
-Jimmy

[Lerxst]

-Certain members contributed to the music on some of the songs music wise, but Ed wrote all of the lyrics and a lot of the music for the band.

-The fact that they each received 25 percent writing credit on every song is a total crime(even the songs that CCP want nothing to do with, they get writing credit).

-They performed The Dolphin's Cry in March, and that song was 100 percent Ed.

Yes, you're right.. Ed was responsible for such Live greatness as V, BoP, and of course the solo album SFBM. You should give those albums a good listen and tell us all if you can tell which songs (hint: Like I Do, Sophia come to mind) really stand out and what could possibly be the reason for why those songs stand out. Hint: think Band vs. Your God EK.

As for your comment about the 25%, sounds like you really do subscribe to the fact that Ed doesn't know how to be in a band a band where he is 25% of the makeup. That and you should also subscribe to the fact that he's not as good a businessman if he agreed to be, and fairly so, an equal partner in a four piece. About the only thing criminal is that big KNIFE that Ed planted in between the guy's shoulder blades, quietly and slowly while they weren't being as vigilant. I think here the appropriate word is for Ed's behavior is SNAKE! It's just wrong. You won't get it because.. well.. Apple and tree my friend, apple and tree.

Yes they did do Dolphin's Cry and the crowd erupted!! You should have been there!! It was sooo awesome Nick, soooo awesome.

-Jimmy

[SJN1279]

1. Ed didn't write all the hits


-Jimmy

Which LIVE hit did Ed not write the lyrics?

[Lerxst]

Which LIVE hit did Ed not write the lyrics?

It's a good thing you and I both agree that writing lyrics doesn't equate to a hit song.

Thanks for playing Nick.
-Jimmy

[SJN1279]

It's a good thing you and I both agree that writing lyrics doesn't equate to a hit song.

Thanks for playing Nick.
-Jimmy

Lyrics are at least 50 percent of what makes a great song. Ed had a hand in writing all of LIVE's hits, no other member of the band can make that claim.

[themaestro]

Which LIVE hit did Ed not write the lyrics?

What is your point in all of this? If it weren't for major contributions from CCP we'd never have heard of EK and he wouldn't have the luxury of doing what he's doing now.