Deceptive marketing of Ed Kowalczyk Options

[Lerxst]

Um, isn't he?

The title of the show reads: Ed Kowalczyk "I Alone" Acoustic.

He's not... he WAS in Live. A concept you clearly don't get and purposely neglect and use to mess with fans on here. Another reason why Dan, you really should have a backbone as far as Nick goes. I mean clearly he knows what he's doing. And that is why I'll continue to address him as an asshole. There's nothing flammatory about that statement, just the truth. Nick is an asshole. Posts like this with deliberate intent simply illustrate and verify that I'm correct in my analysis. He's being an asshole and until he stops behaving that way, he'll always be an asshole. BTW this isn't personal, it's an observation and an opinion. Although most of us know it to be fact.

BTW Nick, who is the current singer of the band Live? Don't check with Ed or Chris, don't be a puppet Nick, be a man and just tell me if you think Ed is still the lead singer for Live on this day Oct. 10 2012 at 10:02 am PST. Sorry just trying to be as precise with you as possible I know how you like to twist things around like facts.

-Jimmy

[FishOutaWater]

I really like Dan. And he has proactively facilitated Wikipedia images for the guys in TGF and Live. He has updated the banner on the site with Shinn. He has done a bunch of positive things. He seems like a good guy. But this Nick thing. He is being very vague about his reasoning and is avoiding the tough questions. I honestly think that when Nick sold his half of this site to Dan 2 years ago, there was some type of stipulation that Dan cannot ban Nick and cannot even reprimand him - because he NEVER has. And since Nick sold his half of the site to Dan two years ago (and I have NO IDEA who Greg is who apparently owns the other half), Nick has gone on a persistent, pervasive, nuclear, blitzkrieg, anti-Live trolling mission and a propaganda-like pro-Ed promotion that has been totally unchecked by Dan.

I don't know what the deal is here, but it really is puzzling to me.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Oct 10 2012, 12:12 pm

[Pokey]

BTW Nick, who is the current singer of the band Live? Don't check with Ed or Chris, don't be a puppet Nick, be a man and just tell me if you think Ed is still the lead singer for Live on this day Oct. 10 2012 at 10:02 am PST. Sorry just trying to be as precise with you as possible I know how you like to twist things around like facts.

-Jimmy

You'll not get a straight answer to that, he'll do something his Dad taught him like to answer it with another question or to simply say he "doesn't recognise Chris as the lead singer of Live", which is basically akin to saying "I don't recognise reality", you may as well get out a block of cheese from the fridge and say "I don't recognise this as cheese".

[Lerxst]

You'll not get a straight answer to that, he'll do something his Dad taught him like to answer it with another question or to simply say he "doesn't recognise Chris as the lead singer of Live", which is basically akin to saying "I don't recognise reality", you may as well get out a block of cheese from the fridge and say "I don't recognise this as cheese".

I know he won't answer. I mean he is a girl after all. If he were a man with real jewels between his legs he'd answer the question. (ISN'T THAT RIGHT NICOLE?) but we all know how selective he is in answering posts and valid points brought up by people on here. Hell I'm still waiting for him to explain the slip up he had when he actually referred to Ed as "the original singer/lyricist of Live" I mean the fact that he used the word "original" tells me he at least acknowledges the role of Chris and acknowledges time as being current. Anyways I doubt strongly that his feminine side would allow for him to answer such a direct question like "Who is the lead singer of Live currently?"

Well Nicole?
-Jimmy

[FishOutaWater]

I just want to clarify something here.

I am not trying to get animated about Nick like some do here. I think he is entitled to his opinion. And I respect him and his right to express his opinions. And I respect his profession and his right not to get attacked personally over his opinions, even if they are antagonistic. Frankly, I think it is incredibly unfair and inappropriate to discuss his wife, his family, and his career on the message board. At the end of the day, this is just a stupid message board about a rock band that few people care about anymore. I hope that someday, everybody will see that it is silly to get all worked up and make statements that are harmful to a person's family and career over a band that is a source of entertainment. That is letting things get way out of perspective. We're talking about an ex-lead singer who plays in small lounges and a 90's rock band that may or may not get a meaningful audience ever again - not the fate fo the free world.

But that being said, on a purely objective level, look at his last two posts here. He basically said that there was no reference to Live in the promotion for the Rams Head show, that includes an explicit description of the show that is ENTIRELY about Live. And then when presented with that fact, he says: Well, he is the singer and songwriting force behind Live, isn't he? NO, he isn't. Even Nick admits he isn't anymore. These are two trolling statements. He knows that his statements are patatently false. It is in black and white. He posted them for the sole purpose of antagonizing and causing anger and chaos in the message board. That is literally the definition of a troll. And this is just an example from the last 10 minutes. There are literally hundreds of other examples. Any message board moderator on the internet would ban a person, at least temporarily, for such troll behavior. I don't think that people should personally attack Nick or call him names or curse at him. That is out of line in my opinion. But I do think that he deserves to be banned. That is not out of line at all.

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Oct 10 2012, 12:31 pm

[Lerxst]

I don't think that people should personally attack Nick or call him names or curse at him. That is out of line in my opinion. But I do think that he deserves to be banned. That is not out of line at all.

Sorry... I can't help it! It's been pent up inside for years (I've only been on here a few days so some leeway for me please) I was just letting the assho... er.. I mean Nico..er.. Nick know I don't appreciate his tactics and his poison he's been spreading about the guys ever since the former singer of Live left the group.

He just needs to watch his step.. you know.. like walking around on eggshells.... oh wait.. that was from someone else.. from some other time.. never mind.

-Jimmy
ps. Nick, I read that URL you posted about your school's performance. Good job on that to your staff, they did well. I also have a high respect for teachers who shape the minds of future Americans.

[Pokey]

I even offered Dan $5 to ban him and he wouldn't do it
Hell I offered to buy the board from Dan for one day so I could ban him and then Dan technically wouldn't have to do it.

[Lerxst]

I even offered Dan $5 to ban him and he wouldn't do it
Hell I offered to buy the board from Dan for one day so I could ban him and then Dan technically wouldn't have to do it.

It all goes back to my original post and suspicion. Dan, do you tolerate Nick because you bought the site from him? Is it as Fish suspected.. that as a condition of that he be allowed immunity on this board and you cannot ban or reprimand him? What gives? You are wayyyyy too nice a guy and a smart enough fellow to not recognize what your users complain about. What is the story anyways? Do tell! And you know the thing is, I honestly don't think anyone on here would be mad/upset or angry or hate you or anything. We just want to know. If anything we would completely understand why you do things that way, we're just curious as to why is all. If you said "yeah sorry, part of me running this site is Nick gets to do what he wants" I would at least understand that! I certainly wouldn't hate you or be angry at you or whatever, because I at least know why.

-Jimmy
ps. I couldn't be mad at you anyways, you're way too nice and one of the most humble fans I have ever met.. and trust me I have met a ton! So what's the story?

[Pokey]

As far as I can tell it would also be a mercy banning ... when Fido is terminally ill and can no longer function, you gotta make the tough call to bring him to the vet. He is scarily obsessed with the failure of Live without Ed. He is freakishly protective of Ed and seems to only be here as he believes without his presence here that Ed will not have a white knight to protect him. He needs to understand that it's time to let go ... he has Ed, he has all the previous Live albums, he has Ed solo albums/tours, he has everything he could want as a music fan, but he is torturing himself (and everyone else) with this inability to let go and move on. Banning Nick would help break that cycle. It's unhealthy, you should not spend this much time and energy on something you don't like.
It's time Nick was brought to the vet.

[Lerxst]

More propaganda, misleading and deceptive advertising of a show.

http://www.meyertheatre.org/event/live%E2%...ted-by-93-rock/

Clearly and deliberately presented with no regard to the present tense. Those in the know at least can see through this. The facts are simple:

- Ed left the band Live
- The band has a new lead singer
- Live is now CCCP
- Ed is no longer in the band Live

It's a real shame. The use of the word Former is obviously left out but one can be sure that cashing in on the huge Live logo will draw the uninformed.

-Jimmy

[Hobbsy]

"Bandmates"

He should be sued just for making that comment!

[Lerxst]

More propaganda, misleading and deceptive advertising of a show.

http://www.meyertheatre.org/event/live%E2%...ted-by-93-rock/

Clearly and deliberately presented with no regard to the present tense. Those in the know at least can see through this. The facts are simple:

- Ed left the band Live
- The band has a new lead singer
- Live is now CCCP
- Ed is no longer in the band Live

It's a real shame. The use of the word Former is obviously left out but one can be sure that cashing in on the huge Live logo will draw the uninformed.

-Jimmy

Well, if some of you are bored, feel free to contact the venue about their obvious and blatant overlook of the present tense when it comes to promoting their shows:

http://www.meyertheatre.org/contact-us/

I'm waiting to hear a reply back from email to them. This should be interesting to see what their thoughts are on the deceptive and misleading marketing practices of Ed's shows. I look forward to hearing their opinion and take on it.

-Jimmy

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Well, if some of you are bored, feel free to contact the venue about their obvious and blatant overlook of the present tense when it comes to promoting their shows:

http://www.meyertheatre.org/contact-us/

I'm waiting to hear a reply back from email to them. This should be interesting to see what their thoughts are on the deceptive and misleading marketing practices of Ed's shows. I look forward to hearing their opinion and take on it.

-Jimmy

I doubt they will care because they just post whatever comes from Ed's management, and they like Ed's folks want what will get butts in the seats. They aren't liable for not knowing the ins and outs of Live.

That's not a slam either, that's just the venue business. Part of the reason EK needs the Live name is because fewer venues will book him without it.

So if the venue never responds or tells you to F off, it's not because of some grand conspiracy, it's because they have 30+ shows this month and shoot, they probably hate Ed's music too.

[Lerxst]

I doubt they will care because they just post whatever comes from Ed's management, and they like Ed's folks want what will get butts in the seats. They aren't liable for not knowing the ins and outs of Live. That's not a slam either, that's just the venue business. Part of the reason EK needs the Live name is because fewer venues will book him without it.

I understand.. I just wanted to see if they were aware or not. And of course you are correct, the use of the Live name no doubt closely tied into the booking of Ed, it certainly brings an attractiveness to the show and the final intent - to lure as many fans in as possible, regardless of ethics. It'll be interesting to see when the injunction against Ed goes into effect and how that will affect this continued trend of deceptive and misleading marketing of his shows.

So if the venue never responds or tells you to F off, it's not because of some grand conspiracy, it's because they have 30+ shows this month and shoot, they probably hate Ed's music too.

Oh I fully understand and I emailed them as much specifying I wasn't expecting a reply but it was more a personal question to the folks who run the venue and if in fact they did know the facts how they feel about this sort of deceptive marketing.

Who knows, maybe they will engage in a discussion of the topic.

-Jimmy

This post has been edited by Lerxst: Oct 11 2012, 6:41 pm

[OutToDry]

Oh Oh oh ooooooo

Oh Eddie, Oh Eddie...
Oh so hard you try to deceive us
Oh how you sang of your water....
and now sell us your whine
is it enough, oh is it enough?

Oh Eddie, Oh Eddie...
may the days of cold winter coming....
call you home to the altar of judgement
as the lord father seated high
will look down on you
with cold eyes

the coffee will be hot
and the 'calls' will be cold
can't you see?
Oh, can't you see
the deceipt is still warm
and grows toward the norm

Oh Eddie, can't you
can't you see that the old days are over
but some still want you to carry on
carry on like like the norm
some chanting your name, Oh Eddie
Oh Eddie......

Oh Eddie, Oh Eddie...
Oh so hard you try to deceive us
Oh how you sang of your water....
and now sell us your whine
is it enough, oh is it enough?

Oh Eddie, Oh Eddie...
Oh so hard you try to deceive us
Oh how you sang of your water....
and now sell us your whine
is it enough, oh is it enough?

Oh Eddie, Oh Eddie...
Oh so hard you try to deceive us

Oh Eddie, Oh Eddie...
But We Can See!!!!!

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Oct 11 2012, 6:58 pm