Penn State, Seriously Options

[Pokey]

I'm a bit confused by this and admittedly haven't read all the facts, just what's turned up in our media here which is probably a fraction of the story. But.. From what I can tell some sick fucks at the uni were messing with kids right? How is Joe Paterereroneniewhateverhisnameis involved? I'm guessing he and the university did stuff to cover it up maybe? If so then yeah strip him of his achievements at the very least... Personally I'd think anyone involved should be jailed.
What I dont get though is banning and prohibiting or at least restricting the university of sports/football whatever they're doing for so long... Isn't that going to hurt a bunch of innocent kids not involved or who are yet to reach that level who will be robbed of the chances they dreamed of to participate in sports there? Please correct me if I'm wrong here but from what I can see the sanctions imposed upon Penn State I'd totally agree with but the ones that will hurt people not involved aren't really fair.

[dancing queen]

Pokey, it seems like pure shit to me that current kids have to suffer.

I think stripping Paterno's victories is fine, I don't care. Tearing down his statue, great, he turned a blind eye to child molestation. Firing every member of the football/athletic department would've made a hell of a lot more sense than punishing current students who have done nothing wrong.
the NCAA is a bunch of idiots.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Current football players will have a chance to transfer, without penalty, to a program that can actually compete and won't be the brunt of deserved criticism for the foreseeable future. Other than having to pack up their things and go, those kids will be better off, just like the kids who got out of SMU when they got the death penalty.

I'm not seeing what is so awful about that, and I am a harsh critic of the NCAA. Their handling of the scandal at UNC-Chapel Hill has been absolutely abysmal, for one, but I have no problem with their handling of this situation.

Also, there are a lot of innocent people who would lose their jobs if they gave all of the athletic department the boot, and they wouldn't get a free ride transfer to a new job.

The school would be better off in the long run by shutting the program down for awhile. Maybe this will encourage them to do it.

This post has been edited by thefunkyredcaboose: Jul 24 2012, 10:37 am

[Aitkens]

You can't use the current players as a shield to get the school and program out of punishment. Like others have mentioned, the current players are free to transfer without any penalty, and will not be required to sit out a year like with other transfers.

PSU got what they deserved. Joe lost those wins, because the NCAA was not going to have his name at the top of their record books. Not after the lies and coverup that he was a part of, which enabled a pedophile to keep up his habit for years.

[Badman]

This will reveal how little I know about the situation but this is a college... aren't these athletes adults? How were children involved in this? I never see anyone under 18 on any of the campuses I've been to.

[Aitkens]

This will reveal how little I know about the situation but this is a college... aren't these athletes adults? How were children involved in this? I never see anyone under 18 on any of the campuses I've been to.

A former assistant coach raped little boys on campus in the football facilities. It was found by another coach and janitors. The Athletic Department, President of the University, and Joe Paterno were made aware. They covered it up.

[OutToDry]

Penn State is getting what they deserve, but there are more perpitrators in this ordeal.
The governor is also in on the hush money, he was AG and failed to send an actionable police effort to stop it either before he was elected. He donated 3 mill to Sandusky's 3rd Mile Charity just last year and the 3rd mile also gave campaign $$. His hands are not dirty.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t33DLPVIGos

Entertain yourself with this article:
http://www.yardbird.com/joe_paterno_takes_the_fall.htm

[dancing queen]

the boys assaulted were either at sports camps held on campus or part of the Second Mile camp.

Also, it's not just that the actual football players will suffer by having to transfer, etc.

PSU's football program funds something like 80% of it's student activities. I have a coworker who is on the student activities committee thinger (I forget what he said it's called) and he said that without a football program, PSU will not have funding for most student activities held on campus. So it's not just athletes that are suffering.

You fire/force retire all administrators in the athletic department and get rid of Joe's statue and win record (though he's name's still on the Library, reminding you to keep quiet while you're there) and yes, probably several staff get fired for no reason. But thousands of students get to keep on keeping on.


the NCAA sanctions hurt no one but students.

[Aitkens]

the boys assaulted were either at sports camps held on campus or part of the Second Mile camp.

Also, it's not just that the actual football players will suffer by having to transfer, etc.

PSU's football program funds something like 80% of it's student activities. I have a coworker who is on the student activities committee thinger (I forget what he said it's called) and he said that without a football program, PSU will not have funding for most student activities held on campus. So it's not just athletes that are suffering.

You fire/force retire all administrators in the athletic department and get rid of Joe's statue and win record (though he's name's still on the Library, reminding you to keep quiet while you're there) and yes, probably several staff get fired for no reason. But thousands of students get to keep on keeping on.
the NCAA sanctions hurt no one but students.

After all the bills were paid last season, the football program had $53 M in profits. The year before I believe that number approached $70 M in profits. They will be fine. They still have all of their home games, and they will still be on tv. The students up there will not suffer.

[dancing queen]

After all the bills were paid last season, the football program had $53 M in profits. The year before I believe that number approached $70 M in profits. They will be fine. They still have all of their home games, and they will still be on tv. The students up there will not suffer.

if you have $53 million, and you have it budgeted to spend every year, and you make even $1 million less, you are in the hole. whether your income is millions, billions, or tens.

[Aitkens]

if you have $53 million, and you have it budgeted to spend every year, and you make even $1 million less, you are in the hole. whether your income is millions, billions, or tens.

PSU also had their most successful alumni donation drive. They will be fine. The alumni/sheep will not allow the football program or the university to suffer.

All of this could have been avoided if Joe and his cronies didn't cover up this mess. Unfortunately the football program was more important.

[Pokey]

I thought the sanctions sounded a bit hard ... as in making people transfer who had done nothing wrong, disrupting their lives and their education etc... An entire clean out of the university/sports department of anyone who was even remotely involved, right from the top to the bottom, that way no one who is left or brought in as replacements can be involved in any way and don't have to wear the sanctions.

But for those people who were involved then no sympathy what so ever for any types of punishments that are handed down to them.

[Aitkens]

I thought the sanctions sounded a bit hard ... as in making people transfer who had done nothing wrong, disrupting their lives and their education etc... An entire clean out of the university/sports department of anyone who was even remotely involved, right from the top to the bottom, that way no one who is left or brought in as replacements can be involved in any way and don't have to wear the sanctions.

But for those people who were involved then no sympathy what so ever for any types of punishments that are handed down to them.

They aren't forcing any kids to transfer. All current scholarship players will retain their scholarships as long as they meet the academic/athletic requirements. Players however are free to transfer to other schools without any penalty.

[dancing queen]

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-0...sports-revenues

[Pokey]

They aren't forcing any kids to transfer. All current scholarship players will retain their scholarships as long as they meet the academic/athletic requirements. Players however are free to transfer to other schools without any penalty.

Well not forcing, but aren't they pretty much saying "if you stay here you aren't playing" ? That's sort of forcing a kid's hand in a way. I mean it's good that they're giving them AN option and all, just think if you were a kid with your heart set on Penn state for years and suddenly told you have to go elsewhere if you want to play because of some fuckwits ruining things for me that I had no part on control in - you'd be pretty pissed.

I know that is the larger picture and compared to the kids that were abused it's basically first world problems, but rather than sanctions and such I'd just be taking everyone involved and burning them at the stake doling out criminal penalties and start afresh with a new administration back at Penn state. But that's just me I guess.