Penn State, Seriously Options

[thefunkyredcaboose]

#%$#$%$ that place.

[World Dreamer]

The people at Penn State are first class cowards, especially Paterno.

[Aitkens]

The Joe Paterno statue needs to come down, and if this isn't a clear case of "Lack of Institutional Control", apparently the NCAA doesn't even know the definition to their own rules.

[Badman]

I'm so mad about this that I drive around Pennsylvania rather than be in the same state as that school! I also think the college owes York an apology.

[FishOutaWater]

This is really depraved and morally bankrupt, and if I was a parent of one of those children and found out about, I would have gone on an uncontrollable rampage.

I would like to know what happened to the DA in the 1998 case that vanished from the face fo the earth. To me, that is a big story.

The only thing that makes this pale by comparison is the Catholic Church which had not one, but hundreds or thousands of molesters across the entire U.S. and the world, and it was systematically and routinely covered up and enabled by actual official policies, and by colleague priests, monsignors, bishops, cardinals and the current pope for many decades. Many hundreds of families were paid off in confidential settlements, and the priests were moved to other parishes to continue molesting. Colleagues in the rectory knew their colleagues were taking young boys off to retreats or up to their bedrooms to molest them and no one did anything about it for decades, other than hush the vitims and move the priests somewhere else to victimize other boys. It is beyond my imagination how the Catholic Church even continues to exist after what it did. I heard someone say on the radio today that the Penn State Football program should be shut down and also that if a parent had their kid at the school on on the team, they should pull them out. But people still send their kids to church and Sunday school and Catholic schools. If you step back and think about it - the Catholic Church is unredeemable for what it did and there are very few in the institution who do not carry at least some of the blame. Yet they still claim stake to the moral high ground and criticize Obama Care for requiring employers to provide health coverage that provides benefits for birth control. That is insane! That is like Penn State officials Spanier and Curley holding a press conference tomorrow and getting up on a soap box and demanding that America rise up and protest that the NCAA hasn't cited a violatoin against Michigan for some alumni taking a football player out to lunch. Seriously? Really? Has the Catholic Church no shame at all?

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Jul 12 2012, 5:17 pm

[OutToDry]

This is really depraved and morally bankrupt, and if I was a parent of one of those children and found out about, I would have gone on an uncontrollable rampage.

I would like to know what happened to the DA in the 1998 case that vanished from the face fo the earth. To me, that is a big story.

The only thing that makes this pale by comparison is the Catholic Church which had not one, but hundreds or thousands of molesters across the entire U.S. and the world, and it was systematically and routinely covered up and enabled by actual official policies, and by colleague priests, monsignors, bishops, cardinals and the current pope for many decades. Many hundreds of families were paid off in confidential settlements, and the priests were moved to other parishes to continue molesting. Colleagues in the rectory knew their colleagues were taking young boys off to retreats or up to their bedrooms to molest them and no one did anything about it for decades, other than hush the vitims and move the priests somewhere else to victimize other boys. It is beyond my imagination how the Catholic Church even continues to exist after what it did. I heard someone say on the radio today that the Penn State Football program should be shut down and also that if a parent had their kid at the school on on the team, they should pull them out. But people still send their kids to church and Sunday school and Catholic schools. If you step back and think about it - the Catholic Church is unredeemable for what it did and there are very few in the institution who do not carry at least some of the blame. Yet they still claim stake to the moral high ground and criticize Obama Care for requiring employers to provide health coverage that provides benefits for birth control. That is insane! That is like Penn State officials Spanier and Curley holding a press conference tomorrow and getting up on a soap box and demanding that America rise up and protest that the NCAA hasn't cited a violatoin against Michigan for some alumni taking a football player out to lunch. Seriously? Really? Has the Catholic Church no shame at all?

He was made to dissappear. This story continues to make everyone sick.



Power Corrupts, Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. I think perhaps the NCAA death sentence is in order here.

[Opinechik]

Oh that's right...Ray Gricar. I remember Greta Van Sustern covering his disappearance nightly back when it first happened.
Wow, now it all makes sense.
Like this shit wasn't horrible enough, murder too?

[Waterboy]

I've been following this Penn State case closely for numerous reasons. I am not trying to be an ignorent ass - just making sure I didn't miss anything major - but did the Freeh report reveal anything that wasn't already widely known? I scanned through its 200+ pages today and didn't see much new info, but maybe I missed something. Very sad story.

[Aitkens]

I've been following this Penn State case closely for numerous reasons. I am not trying to be an ignorent ass - just making sure I didn't miss anything major - but did the Freeh report reveal anything that wasn't already widely known? I scanned through its 200+ pages today and didn't see much new info, but maybe I missed something. Very sad story.

Pretty much revealed what we all know, that Joe Paterno was lying the entire time and that he was part of the cover up.

[Waterboy]

I guess I was expecting a lot more. I mean what happened is the WORST of the WORST - am I clear on that? No one made the right decisions and it cost a lot of souls along the way.

But...

I was predicting that it would come out that the major players had a HUGE scheme planned out to cover this whole thing up. It doesn't really come across like that. It was more like, um let's just play dumb, do the minimal and hope it goes away. I expected there to be tons of emails and conversations where the higher-ups devised a way to keep this quiet. They kept it quiet, but I think it was more ignorance than anything they really planned out. They seemed to think it would take care of itself and disappear over time. That doesn't make anyone less at fault, but it's just not how I saw it playing out. Of course, there may be a lot that didn't get found. Who knows?

I am not defending any of the wrong-doers, but I don't think any of them enjoyed the fact that this monster was in their program. I just think they handled it in the worst possible way. Again, that is no excuse and is not a defense. I just think they were MORE STUPID than EVIL if that makes sense.



This post has been edited by Waterboy: Jul 12 2012, 8:58 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I guess I was expecting a lot more. I mean what happened is the WORST of the WORST - am I clear on that? No one made the right decisions and it cost a lot of souls along the way.

But...

I was predicting that it would come out that the major players had a HUGE scheme planned out to cover this whole thing up. It doesn't really come across like that. It was more like, um let's just play dumb, do the minimal and hope it goes away. I expected there to be tons of emails and conversations where the higher-ups devised a way to keep this quiet. They kept it quiet, but I think it was more ignorance than anything they really planned out. They seemed to think it would take care of itself and disappear over time. That doesn't make anyone less at fault, but it's just not how I saw it playing out. Of course, there may be a lot that didn't get found. Who knows?

I am not defending any of the wrong-doers, but I don't think any of them enjoyed the fact that this monster was in their program. I just think they handled it in the worst possible way. Again, that is no excuse and is not a defense. I just think they were MORE STUPID than EVIL if that makes sense.

Apparently they didn't need a huge scheme, there were a lot of people with blinders on. Also I think your post makes sense, but at some point that stupidity comes from an evil place (holding football over the lives of children). I love college football but what the fuck!!!

I think PSU, for a start, should disband it's football program for a few years. Show the world that they are willing to do that, or I don't think people will believe that the culture has actually changed.

I wouldn't.

[OutToDry]

whole university turned their head, I also want to know why the pa. governor who funded 3rd mile and didn't charge an actionable police effort for many years while he was the AG before being Gov, his hands aren't clean either. Plus the Ray Gricar thing needs to be solved. Expect this to get worse before it gets better.

[rock4adiference]

It still pisses me off the people that will defend him and say he shouldn't have been let go because of this scandal. I had a dispute with a good friend of mine who is a coach. No one was disputing his coaching abilities, but his abilities as a human being really suck!

To sit there and turn your head and keep your mouth shut is the worst thing any person can do. They should take his statue down. He and the rest of that staff is a disgrace to the school and the human race in general.

[FishOutaWater]

I guess I was expecting a lot more. I mean what happened is the WORST of the WORST - am I clear on that? No one made the right decisions and it cost a lot of souls along the way.

But...

I was predicting that it would come out that the major players had a HUGE scheme planned out to cover this whole thing up. It doesn't really come across like that. It was more like, um let's just play dumb, do the minimal and hope it goes away. I expected there to be tons of emails and conversations where the higher-ups devised a way to keep this quiet. They kept it quiet, but I think it was more ignorance than anything they really planned out. They seemed to think it would take care of itself and disappear over time. That doesn't make anyone less at fault, but it's just not how I saw it playing out. Of course, there may be a lot that didn't get found. Who knows?

I am not defending any of the wrong-doers, but I don't think any of them enjoyed the fact that this monster was in their program. I just think they handled it in the worst possible way. Again, that is no excuse and is not a defense. I just think they were MORE STUPID than EVIL if that makes sense.

I think that the only new information was the level of direct involvement that Paterno and senior officials had inthe 1998 crime. Also, I think that the watershed development is the firm conclusions based on the aggregate data of thousands of emails and hundreds of interviews (which hadn't really been consolidated and summarized in conclusions previously).

But I think that while a few guys shielding Sandusky and ignoring the victims for the good of the reputation of the football program is horrible, there are many other examples of corruption and cover-up that go on all the time (including things like murder), and the level of outrage here seems to be somewhat of a chorus of political correctness. It is politically correct right now to react with loud outrage over this thing. I still say that what the Catholic Church did was 10,000 times worse than this, and I don't remember hearing 10,000 times the level of outcry.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I think that the only new information was the level of direct involvement that Paterno and senior officials had inthe 1998 crime. Also, I think that the watershed development is the firm conclusions based on the aggregate data of thousands of emails and hundreds of interviews (which hadn't really been consolidated and summarized in conclusions previously).

But I think that while a few guys shielding Sandusky and ignoring the victims for the good of the reputation of the football program is horrible, there are many other examples of corruption and cover-up that go on all the time (including things like murder), and the level of outrage here seems to be somewhat of a chorus of political correctness. It is politically correct right now to react with loud outrage over this thing. I still say that what the Catholic Church did was 10,000 times worse than this, and I don't remember hearing 10,000 times the level of outcry.

I really just think you aren't remembering it man, outcry was nuts against the Catholic church in most sane circles.