North Carolina, June 29, 2012 Options

[sh4rpz]

Am I the only one who still has Nick on ignore?

[OutToDry]

I love smell of Napalm in the morning.

[Good_Pain]

You would if you thought either were good.

See here you go trying to draw me into your little fantasy world, like the one you picture in your head where both EK and your idol the Hulkster are in tights and some how locked up in the ring. Calm down fanboy, as I know that mental image has you all hot and bothered. The truth is though I am a journalist and yes I have worked in and around the music industry for the better part of almost 20 years, I know when my opinion is needed. Unlike yourself, you have no validation for slamming Shinn. It's simply misplaced aggression and hurt from the fact that your idol's career is now relegated to playing the casino/county fair circuit. That's okay EK chose this lifestyle and that is is fine by all of us if that is his chosen path. However, to come on here and spew your misdirected hate towards someone that A. You have never met, B. Someone you have never seen perform live, and C. Someone you have never obviously listened enough to from his solo and other work to warrant a valid judgement of his vocal abilities.

I know you enjoy all the attention you get on here, you always have. It's amazing that my old friends who were on here years ago used to have the same arguments with you 5-7 years ago. Oh and guess what those old school fans are ready for what you call LIVE 2.0: They are the diehard fans who shot down Charred Mountain like myself, they are the the fans from Central PA and the York area who know the real EK and exactly what went down, they are the LIVE family that I surrounded myself with all those years ago when I became a fan of this band. Unlike yourself who never loved LIVE and that is obvious, you loved a lead singer and his voice you could give two shits about a band dynamic.

Maybe I should be like my good friends (Jen and Heather) that walked away from here because of your shenanigans and the fact that our band had fell pray to the wolves den. I really am tired of you, if you wanted personal venom I could release it and it would make you run so far away from here fanboy you'd never want to come back. However, unlike you I won't set behind a keyboard and take potshots from a distance. I assure you if you were to actually meet many of the individuals that you have done your damnedest to push away from here or insult you would be singing a different tune. I know for a fact that if we were sitting in the same room you would be. So with all of that said, you have no basis for your judgement on Shinn or the guys other than 2 dress rehearsals, so until then I think you should reserve your judgement. Have a good day

This post has been edited by Good_Pain: Jul 4 2012, 12:21 pm

[Rupe]

So with all of that said, you have no basis for your judgement on Shinn or the guys other than 2 dress rehearsals

Neither of which he attended in person, and is judging based on low-quality recordings (no offense to those who taped, its just not the same as live Live, or Live live....)

[SJN1279]

Neither of which he attended in person, and is judging based on low-quality recordings (no offense to those who taped, its just not the same as live Live, or Live live....)

Just as certain fans spent three pages judging Ed's performances from North Carolina earlier in this thread. The same people who rip Ed viciously get a tad sensitive when someone gives their negative opinion on Shinn and CCP.

[OutToDry]

wipe your chin boy, looks terrible.

we're ripping the travesty of the music and we're calling you on the carpet.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Jul 4 2012, 1:19 pm

[SJN1279]

See here you go trying to draw me into your little fantasy world, like the one you picture in your head where both EK and your idol the Hulkster are in tights and some how locked up in the ring. Calm down fanboy, as I know that mental image has you all hot and bothered. The truth is though I am a journalist and yes I have worked in and around the music industry for the better part of almost 20 years, I know when my opinion is needed. Unlike yourself, you have no validation for slamming Shinn. It's simply misplaced aggression and hurt from the fact that your idol's career is now relegated to playing the casino/county fair circuit. That's okay EK chose this lifestyle and that is is fine by all of us if that is his chosen path. However, to come on here and spew your misdirected hate towards someone that A. You have never met, B. Someone you have never seen perform live, and C. Someone you have never obviously listened enough to from his solo and other work to warrant a valid judgement of his vocal abilities.

I know you enjoy all the attention you get on here, you always have. It's amazing that my old friends who were on here years ago used to have the same arguments with you 5-7 years ago. Oh and guess what those old school fans are ready for what you call LIVE 2.0: They are the diehard fans who shot down Charred Mountain like myself, they are the the fans from Central PA and the York area who know the real EK and exactly what went down, they are the LIVE family that I surrounded myself with all those years ago when I became a fan of this band. Unlike yourself who never loved LIVE and that is obvious, you loved a lead singer and his voice you could give two shits about a band dynamic.

Maybe I should be like my good friends (Jen and Heather) that walked away from here because of your shenanigans and the fact that our band had fell pray to the wolves den. I really am tired of you, if you wanted personal venom I could release it and it would make you run so far away from here fanboy you'd never want to come back. However, unlike you I won't set behind a keyboard and take potshots from a distance. I assure you if you were to actually meet many of the individuals that you have done your damnedest to push away from here or insult you would be singing a different tune. I know for a fact that if we were sitting in the same room you would be. So with all of that said, you have no basis for your judgement on Shinn or the guys other than 2 dress rehearsals, so until then I think you should reserve your judgement. Have a good day

If you were such a respected journalist, what basis do you have for knocking Ed? You are definitely taking potshots at Ed from a distance just as you say I am regarding CCCP. What's your issue?

I don't care what type of venues Ed plays, I'm just happy he's touring on a consistent basis.

I have no aggression towards Shinn, I simply don't think he has the chops to be the frontman for LIVE.

[SJN1279]

wipe your chin boy, looks terrible.

we're ripping the travesty of the music and we're calling you on the carpet.

You're just happy that I'm posting again so you have something to do on here.

[OutToDry]

i believe you started the war, we'll finish it nicely.

[themaestro]

Just as certain fans spent three pages judging Ed's performances from North Carolina earlier in this thread. The same people who rip Ed viciously get a tad sensitive when someone gives their negative opinion on Shinn and CCP.

The critique is mostly of his back up band. They sound absolutely nothing like Live. You needn't be there to hear that the music is nothing like the originals. You, on the other hand, continue to make sweeping generalizations about people that really have no basis. How can you judge stage presence if you haven't even seen someone perform? Critiquing vocal range of a rock singer is the most ridiculous, pointless thing I can imagine. Since when did vocal range become an important factor in being a rock singer? There have been hundreds, probably thousands of rock singers that don't have much range. Hasn't hurt them one bit. It's debatable how much natural range EK has anyway. Let's not be mistaken, he's no Pavarotti, or even Miles Kennedy. Those are rare talents, the likes of which EK is not even comparable. CS is plenty talented enough to front Live. As a unit they make a very powerful statement, much more so than Ed can do solo or with his inferior band. Sorry, but that's the truth.

[OutToDry]

If you were such a respected journalist, what basis do you have for knocking Ed? You are definitely taking potshots at Ed from a distance just as you say I am regarding CCCP. What's your issue?

I don't care what type of venues Ed plays, I'm just happy he's touring on a consistent basis.

I have no aggression towards Shinn, I simply don't think he has the chops to be the frontman for LIVE.

You wont accept anyone but Ed fronting Live or Live guys doing anything w/o Ed, if you say something objectively critical, you will lose your hall pass right?

If CC&P didn't think Shinn had the chops to replace Ed, then they wouldn't have hired him.

Your history is chock full of nonsense. I was wondering how your assling Hogan is doing?

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Jul 4 2012, 1:55 pm

[SinfulEyes]

Just as certain fans spent three pages judging Ed's performances from North Carolina earlier in this thread. The same people who rip Ed viciously get a tad sensitive when someone gives their negative opinion on Shinn and CCP.

I've seen Ed enough in concert towards the end of Live's run to know that he went into a direction that must real Live fans object to. Look at his record sales and ticket sales. It is ever declining.

I don't need to go to an Eddie K. show to know he completely sucks now.

[zmanpga]

Ok so I was rude saying it sucked...I just had a problem listening to other guys trying to play parts of CCP..that I didnt like at all. Ed sounded good...the playa's didnt do it for me..
but if I had to choose between seeing
New Live or Ed's band , it would be hands down new Live!
I shook Ed's hand because he walked by and I extended my hand out as did he
I once thought he was da shit
I wish them all the best, every one of um!

[OutToDry]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GvNc24yQZA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELHMi083dao

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSAyz5c3JmM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgaahBvqj-8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58sP8azcHfQ

[SJN1279]

The critique is mostly of his back up band. They sound absolutely nothing like Live. You needn't be there to hear that the music is nothing like the originals.

They aren't trying to pass themselves off as LIVE either. Unlike CCP with Chris Shinn.