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[thefunkyredcaboose]

I enjoyed this argument the first 100 times it happened.

[Pokey]

And you'll enjoy it the next 100 times even more!

[themaestro]

The people that need to move on are the ones that keep holding Ed to some unrealistic standard. He never was some spiritual messiah. The spiritual connection to Krishnamurti was interesting. That wasn't what made this band. These guys knew how to construct great music as a band. Look at SS. Most of that shit doesn't even make sense lyrically yet it still evokes the feelings and emotions typical of their first two albums. It was still there on TDTH yet you could feel things were changing. By V it was gone. Not coincidentally, this is when Ed started wresting control. If anyone expects anything out of Ed that will elicit any of those feelings that Live did through TDTH then you will be waiting a lifetime. It's not going to happen.

[World Dreamer]

The people that need to move on are the ones that keep holding Ed to some unrealistic standard. He never was some spiritual messiah. The spiritual connection to Krishnamurti was interesting. That wasn't what made this band. These guys knew how to construct great music as a band. Look at SS. Most of that shit doesn't even make sense lyrically yet it still evokes the feelings and emotions typical of their first two albums. It was still there on TDTH yet you could feel things were changing. By V it was gone. Not coincidentally, this is when Ed started wresting control. If anyone expects anything out of Ed that will elicit any of those feelings that Live did through TDTH then you will be waiting a lifetime. It's not going to happen.

Don't slander the Ed-God.

[World Dreamer]

I am just saying it is strange to me that somehow SOME people here are trying to put the blame on CCP for what happened to Live.

"Why didn't they say something to Ed?"

"They were just in it for the money."

"Why didn't they just quit?"

And those SAME people are not asking questions like that towards Ed.

"Why did Ed change the process of the band?"

"Why did Ed start demanding things?"

These are the SAME people that whine that Ed is treated unfairly here and that CCP never get criticism. They are whining about the same thing they are doing. Weird.

Soooo, back to his EP. I won't buy it or d/l it. I won't listen to it. Ed is officially an artist I have no interest in and just like many others that I am not interested in I will not be awaiting whatever he comes out with.

[Badman]

Look at SS. Most of that shit doesn't even make sense lyrically yet it still evokes the feelings and emotions typical of their first two albums.

Ha, So true... I attribute it to the drugs. The "world tattoo" thing is a thinker and heropsychodreamer/freaks are just nuts.

[Pokey]

Ha, So true... I attribute it to the drugs. The "world tattoo" thing is a thinker and heropsychodreamer/freaks are just nuts.

I always thought Heropsychodreamer/Freaks were two of the easier songs on SS to "figure out", and maybe that means my meanings aren't exactly what Ed's were, but I didn't have to think too long to come up with meanings for them, not that it diminishes them or anything.

[Aitkens]

I really don't feel like looking it up and digging around, but I believe that Freaks was written during the TC tour, and before the rest of SS.

[Lebanon Corvalis]

I am just saying it is strange to me that somehow SOME people here are trying to put the blame on CCP for what happened to Live.

"Why didn't they say something to Ed?"

"They were just in it for the money."

"Why didn't they just quit?"

And those SAME people are not asking questions like that towards Ed.

"Why did Ed change the process of the band?"

"Why did Ed start demanding things?"

These are the SAME people that whine that Ed is treated unfairly here and that CCP never get criticism. They are whining about the same thing they are doing. Weird.

Soooo, back to his EP. I won't buy it or d/l it. I won't listen to it. Ed is officially an artist I have no interest in and just like many others that I am not interested in I will not be awaiting whatever he comes out with.

You sound pretty sure that Ed was the sole reason they broke up. I believe they all had a hand in this. Its a band. I do believe that Ed was the catalyst . I know he changed. I know the music changed. I also got to blame CCP for that happening. They just stood there and did shit? Whatever man.

I own a company with my 3 best friends been friends. Ive hung out with these guys over 20 years. (Shit! Jose and I have been friends for over 25) Im 39 years old. In this company we argue all the time about what direction we need to go in, how much we spend on what, whatever it is. The most softspoken of the bunch is Val. He pretty much goes with the flow. But when shit starts threatening his pocket book you can hear that MF'R down the street. Doesn't mean the other guys shut up and say "mighty Val has spoken we need to do as he says!" fuck that! we fuck up we go down together.

EDCCP They are all to blame no fucking angels here.

This is how I look at it.

"V"was supposed to be a giveaway right? Then the band got fucked by the label cause the label wanted to release it. So "V" goes down as B' Sides Experimental fucking around in the studio, Got screwed by the record label record. I pretty sure Chad wrote something to the effect. = Label to blame

"BOP" Ed wanted the ball he ran with it and fumbled that fucker! = Ed to Blame

SFBM Fault = EDCCP
You know why cause CCP let that happen!

Then I heard "Believe" (Honest Man) and they were working on that shit together. Its a pretty hard song, Hardest in awhile. So I know CCP brought that to the table Ed was writing the lyrics.
or possibly they were working on it as a band. I don't know Im assuming, I wasn't there.
CCP must have said something. Cause "Believe" was going in a diffrent direction than the other albums well maybe The Gracious Few sound.

The last show I saw In San Diego (one of the last shows) I think I have said this before, it was terrible. The CCP was giggling and when they were playing "Forever" Laughing at Ed's Sexy boy dances (i laugh to, but my wife loves it) There was no Chad T and Ed interraction. No little ride dance with the two as usual. I totally was pissed and let down. They let me down as a fan. I had seen them a little before that at HOB Anaheim and they were great. Even Daughtry showed up (he bugs me)

They are all to blame for the break up.

LC

[Pokey]

I really don't feel like looking it up and digging around, but I believe that Freaks was written during the TC tour, and before the rest of SS.

Definitely was as it was played on the TC tour, so either written with the TC songs or written while on tour for TC.

[briburge]

Definitely was as it was played on the TC tour, so either written with the TC songs or written while on tour for TC.

I agree. Saw them play it before Woodstock 94 so pre ss recording sessions.

[jayda]

Ok, that's all fair enough. But right now LIVE fans are also patting CCP on the back for staying true to their beliefs. So what is it? They can have it both ways? Am I right in saying Ed was the one who called it a day? So now CCP, after spending the last god knows how many years putting up with the crap Ed churned out in the name of money, are also in the right again?

[themaestro]

Is there some law of nature that says everything needs to balance? CCP have to be equally responsible? All I know is that if Ed hadn't been such an ego maniac who lost his ability to rock we'd be getting some kick ass music. But that's not the case and we got TGF which kicked ass and I'm sure new Live will too. CCP aren't saints but they are not the reason we got BOP or SFBM. Look no further than the guy who gave us Alive if you need to blame someone. Personally, I don't need to assign blame to know what led Live down the path they went. Facts are what they are.

[jayda]

Is there some law of nature that says everything needs to balance? CCP have to be equally responsible? All I know is that if Ed hadn't been such an ego maniac who lost his ability to rock we'd be getting some kick ass music. But that's not the case and we got TGF which kicked ass and I'm sure new Live will too. CCP aren't saints but they are not the reason we got BOP or SFBM. Look no further than the guy who gave us Alive if you need to blame someone. Personally, I don't need to assign blame to know what led Live down the path they went. Facts are what they are.

I just really want to know why they didn't bail sooner. I'm not looking for balance but looking at my own personal thoughts. Pissed off at Ed for calling it a day with my fav band. Pissed off at Ed for turning out crap. Pissed off at Ed for being such a demanding you know what. But LC's post made me think....why did CCP sit back and cop this shit?

[themaestro]

I just really want to know why they didn't bail sooner. I'm not looking for balance but looking at my own personal thoughts. Pissed off at Ed for calling it a day with my fav band. Pissed off at Ed for turning out crap. Pissed off at Ed for being such a demanding you know what. But LC's post made me think....why did CCP sit back and cop this shit?

I was mainly just making a general response to the idea CCP are just as much to blame as Ed. I don't "blame" anyone. However, Ed changed. His style changed drastically and he wanted creative control. That is why Live changed. It's pretty evident CCP have not changed and they want to make music in a band, as Live. Maybe they made one album too many with Ed. So what. That makes them just as responsible for what happened to Live? Not hardly. Who cares anyway? They're doing what they are doing and Ed is doing what he is doing. Now only if everyone including Ed would realize what he is doing is nothing like Live and it never will be.