Kevin Martin talks about TGF, Live, and Ed K. in video Options

[dangum]

I finally got around to watching this interview. Absolutely hilarious. Kevin is so personable and open. No topic is off limits. Great stuff!

[briburge]

I am to the point where I just want some good music lead singer bonus or lazy pot smoking. Idc. I'm done with the back story.

[themaestro]

I finally got around to watching this interview. Absolutely hilarious. Kevin is so personable and open. No topic is off limits. Great stuff!

Yeah, because he's such an open no bs kind of guy I wouldn't read too much into his comments about Live, Ed, CCP. Probably just trying to point out their differences. Perhaps CCP like to be a little more diligent with their creative process and let things stew a bit. I don't have a problem with that. It would be nice to know a little more about what they are up to with Live, but no big deal. I wish he had more to say about TGF though. There was definitely a higher level of excitement when they started out and it kind of petered out pretty quickly. Hopefully that will ramp up again whenever they decide to release the other music.

[Opinechik]

I am to the point where I just want some good music lead singer bonus or lazy pot smoking. Idc. I'm done with the back story.

Gotta agree with you there.
The KM interview kind of solidifies for me what I already thought; Ed is not the devil and there are usually three sides to most stories. Yours, mine, and the truth.

[Aitkens]

Let's not ignore the facts...


1. Ed did in fact demand more money.
2. Ed did perceive himself to be a rockstar who was better than everyone else including the band and the fans. This resulted in his demands of his own dressing room, his own tour bus, and himself staying in high priced hotels while on the road.
3. Ed has had countless negative fan interactions through the years.
4. Ed took more control of the music, and the music greatly suffered.
5. Ed continues to ruin the Live legacy with his cover band.

[Opinechik]

Is it just that the krazy chiks are the only females hanging around in the rock scene? I mean, I know normal women probably want normal guys with normal jobs and for them to be around more than a musician would be, but surely there must be normal women out there who are at least semi-understanding of the nature of a musicians job.

Or is that just a musician's pipe dream?

It might have more to do with the whoredogging ways of most musicians (the ones who've made it big).
Maybe crazy gals are more inclined than normal women to put up with it. :dunno

[Badman]

Wow... this thread isn't for those who prefer to think that everything is nice and neat. I don't like hearing that CCP are lazy but they are moving pretty slow...

[FishOutaWater]

Let me tell a little story:

Let's say that when I was in college I dated a really amazing girl in a very long term relationship. I mean amazing. She was the like the best girlfriend ever and she did things that were so amazing and memorable that it made everybody so happy and they will never forget her. My family and friends knew her well and really loved her. She grew as a person and she changed. She went to college and got a decent profesional job and her interests evolved and become more mature - like those of middle-aged family-person. I pretty much stayed the same as I was in college. Eventually the differences grew to be too much and we broke up. I went on Facebook and Twitter and said some pretty bad things about her from my side of the story. She said nothing. She remained silent and moved on. She kept a small group of her friends and they remained loyal to her. Some of her friends got into arguments with my friends about the break-up when they would cross paths in social circles. Most of my friends and all of my family immediately took my side against her, and they hated her from that day forward. According to their story, she sold out and took a corporate job and settled down with a family. That is boring and uninspired. I, on the other hand, am still going to the beach on weekends and drinking beer and having a good time. My friends love that. It is much more entertaining. I complain that she took the furniture from the apartment, even though she actually paid for it in the first place, but we treated it as "ours". She thought she was entitled to the stuff. She also says that I knew she was taking it, although I deny any knoweldge of it until after the fact. I thought we were both entitled to the stuff and I want some of it back. She did give me a chair and a table, but I am ready to take legal action to get what I think is my fair share. I did get to keep the apartment. She left it empty, but I got to eventually stay there and eventually start over.

Eventually, I found a new girlfriend. She is a little younger and much less experienced compared to the original girlfriend. I ask her to move into the apartment. After dating for 9 months, I briefly introduce her to all my friends and family. That brief encounter went quite well by all acounts. But after the introduction, we go into seclusion and my friends and family don't see much of her (or me for that matter) and nobody knows how things are going with us. Presumably, we are holed up in my apartment having a good time and growing our relationship, but who knows. My Facebook account has not been updated in months. In fact, I have barely changed my relationship status. I say that it was my old girlfriends choice to leave, not mine, and she is welcome to move back in anytime. I say that I have forgiven her and I wish her well. And my closest friends are saying in public and on Facebook that my old girlfriend is welcome to move back in anytime and some of them even say that they keep telling me to patch things up with the old girlfriend.

I have implicitly told everyone to accept my new girlfriend as my permanent girlfriend by moving her into the apartment. My actions suggest that all my friends and family should close the chapter on my old girlfriend and move forward thinking only of my new girlfriend and me, as a happy couple who will be together forever. Yet some of my friends keep telling people that my old girlfriend is welcome to move back in anytime.

How should my friends feel about my new girlfriend and the strength of my relationship with her? Is she a permanent part of my life? Nobody has really even seen how good we are together, because despite the brief introductoin 9 months after we started dating (which went quite well), it has now been almost a year and nobody knows how we are together as a couple. My friends and family are understandably confused and concerned.

How should my friends feel about my ex-girlfriend? As time goes by, it becomes apparent that the actions that drove us apart were just ambiguous enough to be confusing to some of my family and friends who loved her. Sure, the stuff she is doing in her life now isn't my cup of tea, but is she objectively, verifiably wrong? Should my friends forget about her and move on?

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: Jun 7 2012, 1:33 pm

[Aitkens]

You have way too much time on your hands.

[FishOutaWater]

You have way too much time on your hands.

Believe it or not, I am a really busy guy with not enough time, who for some strange reason spends way to much time on this silly nonsense.

[Pokey]

Eh, I just wouldn't read too much into it. Haven't any of you answered a question and then afterwards thought "hm I probably should have said..." and realised what you said, although sort of is what you meant, also probably wasn't the best context? I think we analyse every little thing that is said when these guys are like us, they are asked and answered things on the fly and should be taken with a grain of salt.

I think it was probably understandable having the huge gap in difference between work-aholic Ed and CCP sitting around relaxing and smoking weed. They had all their duties and responsibilities taken from them, they were session musicians marching to the beat of one mans drum, so in their shoes I'd probably smoke a lot of weed and kick back too.

They probably got sick of:

"Hey Ed what do you think of this guitar part? Maybe it can be on the new album or we could work it into a song!"

"Oh... see I've already written the entire album"

"Oh ...." *lights up a joint*


With how slowly things are coming together I got no doubt that CCP like to do things on their own time, and have a relaxed attitude to it, but I don't know if lazy would be right considering when they're working they're working hard with multiple projects.
It's understandable that Ed is putting things out faster and touring more etc... he only has to worry about himself. If his bass player can't make it, easy - replaced for 10 gigs. CCCP are 4 guys equally involved, it's not a 1 man band, they have to juggle 4 lives and everything going on in it. If something comes up for 1 or 2 of them they'll have to work around that as they are a group. The dynamics of the 2 just aren't the same so one can't be measured against the other with everything. So I don't think it makes CCP lazy, and I doubt KM is really digging at that.

[PillarOfDavidson]

It might have more to do with the whoredogging ways of most musicians (the ones who've made it big).
Maybe crazy gals are more inclined than normal women to put up with it. :dunno

Good point.

[Pokey]

Let me tell a little story:

Let's say that when I was in college I dated a really amazing girl in a very long term relationship. I mean amazing. She was the like the best girlfriend ever and she did things that were so amazing and memorable that it made everybody so happy and they will never forget her. My family and friends knew her well and really loved her. She grew as a person and she changed. She went to college and got a decent profesional job and her interests evolved and become more mature - like those of middle-aged family-person. I pretty much stayed the same as I was in college. Eventually the differences grew to be too much and we broke up. I went on Facebook and Twitter and said some pretty bad things about her from my side of the story. She said nothing. She remained silent and moved on. She kept a small group of her friends and they remained loyal to her. Some of her friends got into arguments with my friends about the break-up when they would cross paths in social circles. Most of my friends and all of my family immediately took my side against her, and they hated her from that day forward. According to their story, she sold out and took a corporate job and settled down with a family. That is boring and uninspired. I, on the other hand, am still going to the beach on weekends and drinking beer and having a good time. My friends love that. It is much more entertaining. I complain that she took the furniture from the apartment, even though she actually paid for it in the first place, but we treated it as "ours". She thought she was entitled to the stuff. She also says that I knew she was taking it, although I deny any knoweldge of it until after the fact. I thought we were both entitled to the stuff and I want some of it back. She did give me a chair and a table, but I am ready to take legal action to get what I think is my fair share. I did get to keep the apartment. She left it empty, but I got to eventually stay there and eventually start over.

Eventually, I found a new girlfriend. She is a little younger and much less experienced compared to the original girlfriend. I ask her to move into the apartment. After dating for 9 months, I briefly introduce her to all my friends and family. That brief encounter went quite well by all acounts. But after the introduction, we go into seclusion and my friends and family don't see much of her (or me for that matter) and nobody knows how things are going with us. Presumably, we are holed up in my apartment having a good time and growing our relationship, but who knows. My Facebook account has not been updated in months. In fact, I have barely changed my relationship status. I say that it was my old girlfriends choice to leave, not mine, and she is welcome to move back in anytime. I say that I have forgiven her and I wish her well. And my closest friends are saying in public and on Facebook that my old girlfriend is welcome to move back in anytime and some of them even say that they keep telling me to patch things up with the old girlfriend.

I have implicitly told everyone to accept my new girlfriend as my permanent girlfriend by moving her into the apartment. My actions suggest that all my friends and family should close the chapter on my old girlfriend and move forward thinking only of my new girlfriend and me, as a happy couple who will be together forever. Yet some of my friends keep telling people that my old girlfriend is welcome to move back in anytime.

How should my friends feel about my new girlfriend and the strength of my relationship with her? Is she a permanent part of my life? Nobody has really even seen how good we are together, because despite the brief introductoin 9 months after we started dating (which went quite well), it has now been almost a year and nobody knows how we are together as a couple. My friends and family are understandably confused and concerned.

How should my friends feel about my ex-girlfriend? As time goes by, it becomes apparent that the actions that drove us apart were just ambiguous enough to be confusing to some of my family and friends who loved her. Sure, the stuff she is doing in her life now isn't my cup of tea, but is she objectively, verifiably wrong? Should my friends forget about her and move on?

I ...uh ... you're dating Ed now or what?

[Badman]

I ...uh ... you're dating Ed now or what?

Oh shit... Nick's gonna be pissed.

[FishOutaWater]

I ...uh ... you're dating Ed now or what?

That was exactly what I was trying to say. I just had a hard time coming out and just saying it.