Deceptive marketing of Ed Kowalczyk Options

[dangum]

If you believe Ed is being marketed incorrectly (or deceptively) on his tour dates, please discuss it here. There's no need to go over the same ground in each tour date thread. Any future discussion on this topic will be moved here...

Is Ed really 'moving on' when 80% of his setlist is Live material?
Should Ed be referred to as "formerly of Live" in concert promotion?
Is Ed using his connection to Live too much?
Is Ed or the record label responsible for the marketing?
Do you want to right this wrong by informing the venue, radio station or fans? Post details here.

[+Ed+]

I still do think he believes what he's selling though.

Unfort, this has become the core of what he's doing. Of course any musician that makes music wants his music be an outlet for the creativity. And on the other hand there is no other way he can get money to make for a living.

But here I think is quite a cotradictional story: he is SELLING. Maybe his soul feels right to praise the lord, but then again, religion is all about giving, not earning, isn't it?

His marketing strategy is pretty well-thought, guys, however, let;s make it clear, it is simmply not for us anymore. If the record is rocking and heavy and touvchy and whatsoever, I am listening to it, I am feeling it, I am downloading it, I am living with it, I am buyiong it to support the artist. That is MY marketing. If the musician is trying to sell me the goods that have NOTHING to do with his music even if I love it, it is NOT my marketing and I am not ionto it. Simple as that.

[Wambangalang]

i think its business and anything goes. fuck do i care about rich ppl and their rich ppl problems.

but about the music ahh well then, thats where i can have an opinion. and ed needs to step the fuck up. And so do live actually, ... havent heard anything "new".

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I do think Ed is marketing himself deceptively, but at this point it is just going to happen until LIVE gets out there and starts touring or puts out new music.

Ed is going to do what Ed is going to do, they can either continue to fight the legal battle or actually do some shows/put out some music and lay the whole issue to rest.

[World Dreamer]

If you believe Ed is being marketed incorrectly (or deceptively) on his tour dates, please discuss it here. There's no need to go over the same ground in each tour date thread. Any future discussion on this topic will be moved here...

Is Ed really 'moving on' when 80% of his setlist is Live material?
Should Ed be referred to as "formerly of Live" in concert promotion?
Is Ed using his connection to Live too much?
Is Ed or the record label responsible for the marketing?
Do you want to right this wrong by informing the venue, radio station or fans? Post details here.

Ed is not moving on. He needs the Live name because the name "Ed Kowalczyk" can't stand on its own. His solo music sure as hell can't stand on its own. Imagine that. The name of Live, the band, is more powerful than the name of the "driving force". The "driving force" has to use old music to get people in the door and has to use old music to keep them there because even though he is definately the "driving force" of his new "band" it sucks tremendously. I'd prefer he sing his solo songs, or at least a ratio that doesn't scream "I know my new music blows".

His concert promotion needs to include the word "former" or "formerly" if it is going to include the name of the band Live. It is that simple.

Ed is using his connection of Live way too much. Know how I know? The fans and venues are confused. That's a bad thing, right Nick?

In my opinion, Ed is responsible for the marketing. Like I said in earlier posts, this has happened for far too long and far too many times. He has to know.

[SJN1279]

Ed is using his connection of Live way too much. Know how I know? The fans and venues are confused. That's a bad thing, right Nick?

The fans are also going to be confused when they buy tickets to a LIVE concert and see a Jeff Hardy look a like singing Lightning Crashes.

[possum]

The fans are also going to be confused when they buy tickets to a LIVE concert and see a Jeff Hardy look a like singing Lightning Crashes.

Funny thing is that it will be a Live show. Advertised as a Live show. Nothing misleading or dishonest. Kind of a big fact you are overlooking. Ed of Live is a lie - no way around it.

Pretty funny (or sad) that this now has it's own thread.

This post has been edited by possum: May 17 2012, 10:30 am

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Funny thing is that it will be a Live show. Advertised as a Live show. Nothing misleading or dishonest. Kind of a big fact you are overlooking. Ed of Live is a lie - no way around it.

Pretty funny (or sad) that this now has it's own thread.

Why would you ever think you could convince him of that?

[FishOutaWater]

The fans are also going to be confused when they buy tickets to a LIVE concert and see a Jeff Hardy look a like singing Lightning Crashes.

I doubt that anyone who goes to a Live concert with Chris Shinn will feel suckered because I am betting that Live will proudly announce and promote Chris Shinn as the new lead singer of Live. The promotional posters will include his photo. Their new album will include him. They will press release it. They will NOT try to hide from it and try to dupe concert-goers into buying tickets for a show at which they believe Ed will be singing.

Also, you are comparing apples to oranges. You need to be smart enough to understand the distinction. The issue here is that Ed is trading on Live's name and misleading people into thinking that he is still the bona fide lead singer of Live - which he isn't. He is using Live - which is owned by CCP - to sell his tickets. And he is not legally able to do that. One cannot legally commericalize the brand and the image and likeness of a known entity if they do not have the legal right or license to do it. The same goes with the royalties on the sale of recordings of performances of Live songs that Ed sells on his website.

Nick - I have got to ask you a question that I want you to answer. If Ed recorded performances of Live songs and sold them and did not pay royalties to the company that owns the rights to those songs which is owned 25% each by Ed, Chad, Chad, and Patrick, then do you agree that is wrong? Do you agree that is just as wrong as if Blake Shelton recorded Lightening Crashes and sold it on iTunes and made millions of dollars and never paid Black Coffee one cent for the royalties. Or if the song I Alone was used in a movie and included on the soundtrack of that move, and the studio never paid Black Coffee one cent for the rights? If you agree that this was wrong, then how can you support Ed at all despite that agregious act?

This post has been edited by FishOutaWater: May 17 2012, 10:48 am

[themaestro]

Any true fan of Live would be very disappointed in how things have transpired with the band including EK solo the last 10+ years. I don't know what happened to EK, but you'd have to be completely warped not to recognize his regression musically. It's as if the guy has completely shut off his ability to be influenced by anything other than himself. Look, there are some talented people in this world but I don't know any that can be their own source of inspiration. The guy clearly believes he was the driving force in Live. We've all seen and heard what he is capable of on his own. Shutting out people like C,C,P, Jerry Harrison or anyone that doesn't bow to his way or the highway approach has been the death knell to his production of great music.

As far as Ed being deceptive, I guess so. But I think anyone that counted themselves as more than a casual fan recognizes what he is up to and are not fooled by his charade. The sad part is we all remember the magic of Live in the 90's and remain hopeful that somehow C,C,C,P can recapture some of that magic. Whatever happens, it is their right to continue. For the sake of all that is right, they need to continue. Live was an active band when he decided to leave. He wanted out, he wanted to go solo, do something new and different. So in that sense, he is being deceptive with his promotion. But, again, I think we all pretty much expected it. It has been par for the course with him for a long time. The only ones that don't get it are EK fans that are still enamored with a man that hasn't had the magic for over ten years. To you, rock on with "I'm the Proof". I'll hedge my bets that C,C,C,P come up with something that is much more Live(like) that that. They'll be the proof that he isn't and never was on his own.

This post has been edited by themaestro: May 17 2012, 10:48 am

[World Dreamer]

I doubt that anyone who goes to a Live concert with Chris Shinn will feel suckered because I am betting that Live will proudly announce and promote Chris Shinn as the new lead singer of Live. The promotional posters will include his photo. Their new album will include him. They will press release it. They will NOT try to hide from it and try to dupe concert-goers into buying tickets for a show at which they believe Ed will be singing.

This.

If anyone is creating confusion it is Ed by continuing to attach himself to Live.

[Pokey]

Yeah I've said it before, I can just see in Nick's head that this is how a Live tour is going to go down:

Billboards and posters saying Live with Ed's face on it, outside the venue there are big arrows pointing towards the door saying "Ed Kowalczyk is this way" "Enter to see Ed Kowalczyk with Live!"

Then once everyone is inside the doors are locked so no one can leave and the lights go out, CT appears on stage dressed like Ming the Merciless and bellows over the mic "FOOLS! You will not see your beloved Ed Kowalczyk here! Now I have all of your money and you will listen to our new singer muwahahahaha!!" and the fans will be screaming and banging on the doors to be let out because they were duped while the band play and Chris Shinn literally stands there trying to spell out the words to songs from a lyric sheet like a 1st grader trying to read.

Yes guys, this is how Live are bound to tour in the mind of Nick!

OR:

I doubt that anyone who goes to a Live concert with Chris Shinn will feel suckered because I am betting that Live will proudly announce and promote Chris Shinn as the new lead singer of Live. The promotional posters will include his photo. Their new album will include him. They will press release it. They will NOT try to hide from it and try to dupe concert-goers into buying tickets for a show at which they believe Ed will be singing.

[World Dreamer]

Hell, Live has already done a bit to announce Shinn. If you are remotely a fan then you follow them on Twitter or Facebook and heard the news or got the link to the website where Shinn is plastered all over it along with the 4 re-recordings.

[+Ed+]

I keep trembling when I recall the crowd reaction in Yorl to the gig with Shinn.

goooooosebumps.

And it was only a tiny youtube vid

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I keep trembling when I recall the crowd reaction in Yorl to the gig with Shinn.

goooooosebumps.

And it was only a tiny youtube vid

And you didn't even see the shots of me naked.