Where the boys of Live? Options

[dancing queen]

Is that a swatch watch, do you know what time it is? is an example of classic song writing

in seriousness, though, I remember when I first heard Deep Enough (in concert) and I looked at my friend and said "is he saying "does he run it deep enough" or "is his lovin' deep enough" "and she looked at me, tilted her head, and said with a smile "he's talking about f**king hard enough to take you there" and I said "yep, that's it... huh" and was really impressed that Live stood by lyrics that edgy.

clearly there are more graphic songs on earth, but I felt like that was graphic, and kind of something done on a whim. I mean, the Dolphin's Cry talks about wrapping your legs around me and trying to breath "so we can go together" and I have always interpreted that as orgasming at the same time, not taking some journey together (though metaphorically, the orgasm is a journey of sorts...)

anyway, it's clearly dirty, but it's not the same edginess as Deep Enough.
I feel like V was just the guys pissin' in the wind. (or the mainstream, whatever)
I like that about it.

[OutToDry]

That song was great in concert for the first few months, then it started getting too punked out with over the top keyboards.

[dancing queen]

That song was great in concert for the first few months, then it started getting too punked out with over the top keyboards.

Agreed.
It would've stayed great without the keyboards, IMHO
I didn't need keyboards for most of V. (or ever in my life, really, the way Railo played)

[OutToDry]

the higher railo was, the more keyboards we heard....he's a stupid dope for being a dopehead.

[dancing queen]

the higher railo was, the more keyboards we heard....he's a stupid dope for being a dopehead.

that's why I say NO to crack, and YES to rollerskating!!!

[jclive]

the higher railo was, the more keyboards we heard....he's a stupid dope for being a dopehead.

Thread recap... Ed on drugs. Railo on drugs. Anyone else?

[dancing queen]

Thread recap... Ed on drugs. Railo on drugs. Anyone else?

Railo was on coke. Ed (and the rest of the band, possibly, during the 90's - or early 90's if I believe the rumors) just enjoyed pot.

drugs are bad. say NO to meth. say YES to rollerskating!!

seriously, though, I've heard backstage rumors/stories about all 4 members getting high after shows (I do believe I've heard that Ed would get high before shows, but that's not something I ever witnessed myself, so I have no clue).
Ed, in an interview, said that they were "friendly with the gardener" during the writing of SS in Jamaica. I assume he meant the 4 of them.

but I wasn't there for any of it, so I don't know for sure. I know I've seen them drink. on stage and off, but since when is alcohol a drug???

[thefunkyredcaboose]

When I first heard Deep Enough I loved it because I thought Ed was mocking modern rap music. Then I got the rest of the album and realized that he was serious about it.

Still enjoy the song though.

[dancing queen]

When I first heard Deep Enough I loved it because I thought Ed was mocking modern rap music. Then I got the rest of the album and realized that he was serious about it.

Still enjoy the song though.

do you think they really thought they were making good rap music? I feel like the whole album was kind of a gag. like one big joke... maybe I'm just too used to thinking the best of them, but I feel like they were goofing on themselves, on modern rap, on everything. just having fun. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Ed Kowalczyk is capable of quality rapping. (except maybe Ed Kowalczyk, I guess... I'll ask him next time I run into him)

that's the spirit that I enjoy that album in. there's some seriousness to it - overcome, and nobody knows are 2 songs that come to mind as being songs made in earnest (though not my favorites). but People Like You, OK? and Deep Enough just feel like fun experiments where it's cool if we make fools of ourselves, you know?

but I do enjoy the album. it's not lyrically anyone's finest work, but I enjoy it.

[possum]

do you think they really thought they were making good rap music? I feel like the whole album was kind of a gag. like one big joke... maybe I'm just too used to thinking the best of them, but I feel like they were goofing on themselves, on modern rap, on everything. just having fun. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Ed Kowalczyk is capable of quality rapping. (except maybe Ed Kowalczyk, I guess... I'll ask him next time I run into him)

that's the spirit that I enjoy that album in. there's some seriousness to it - overcome, and nobody knows are 2 songs that come to mind as being songs made in earnest (though not my favorites). but People Like You, OK? and Deep Enough just feel like fun experiments where it's cool if we make fools of ourselves, you know?

but I do enjoy the album. it's not lyrically anyone's finest work, but I enjoy it.

I don't think Ed was joking around on V. Although putting Call Me a Fool on any album has to be a joke.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

do you think they really thought they were making good rap music? I feel like the whole album was kind of a gag. like one big joke... maybe I'm just too used to thinking the best of them, but I feel like they were goofing on themselves, on modern rap, on everything. just having fun. I don't think anyone seriously believes that Ed Kowalczyk is capable of quality rapping. (except maybe Ed Kowalczyk, I guess... I'll ask him next time I run into him)

that's the spirit that I enjoy that album in. there's some seriousness to it - overcome, and nobody knows are 2 songs that come to mind as being songs made in earnest (though not my favorites). but People Like You, OK? and Deep Enough just feel like fun experiments where it's cool if we make fools of ourselves, you know?

but I do enjoy the album. it's not lyrically anyone's finest work, but I enjoy it.

I think the lyrical style was an attempt to capitalize on rock/rap. Not sure how the other guys felt about it, I know CT defended the album a bit because it wasn't supposed to be a full-fledged release. He never talked about the lyrics though, I don't think.

[Waterboy]

I agree with most everything said here about V, both positive and negative, but I actually enjoy the songs when I hear them. They will never touch LIVE's best songs and I would never share V with a non-Live fan., but they are fun in a weird, quirky way.

By the way, when I read about the album on here, in my head I still call it "V" like the 22nd letter of the alphabet instead of "Five."

This post has been edited by Waterboy: Jul 12 2012, 8:16 pm

[Merica]

I like V. It's an explosion of (albeit mis-guided) trashy fun rubbish. If it was released like it was intended, we'd be here saying "ah well, didn't like it really, one or two good bits, but no worries, their following *proper* album was great". But the label ruined all that and made it an album that had to count, which it was never intended to be. So it's not really fair to rag on it THAT much, I guess.

Also, what happened to Ed's voice between TDTH and V? By the time V came around his default sound was a lot higher, almost nasal-y in parts. Totally lost something by the time V turned up.

[WaiterAtCliftons]

I agree with most everything said here about V, both positive and negative, but I actually enjoy the songs when I hear them. They will never touch LIVE's best songs and I would never share V with a non-Live fan., but they are fun in a weird, quirky way.

By the way, when I read about the album on here, in my head I still call it "V" like the 22nd letter of the alphabet instead of "Five."

I agree 100% about the album. When I go to put on some Live I never really think about putting on V but when I do, I actually enjoy it for what it's worth. None of the songs outside maybe Overcome will be considered some of Live's best but it's a weird album that I actually don't mind listening too.

Oh and I also still call it V like in the alphabet and not Five. Haha

[SJN1279]

Oh and I also still call it V like in the alphabet and not Five. Haha

So do I!