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Does Ed Have The Right?
Is it alright for Ed to tour as "Live's Ed Kowalczyk"?
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Hoodstock
post Jan 21 2012, 6:39 pm
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Alright - we're going into the 2012 tour season. Ed has obviously moved on from Live and Live (as we all know) is moving on as a band without Ed. Today I saw this:

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It reads "Live's Ed Kowalczyk". Obviously Ed was a huge part of Live but he's moved on and Live is a band that will be active and touring without him.

Because of what he did for the band does Ed forever have the right to claim that he is "Live's" or do you guys think it would be proper for him to indicate "former" in some way?


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post Jan 22 2012, 9:36 pm
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here's your fucking deception asshat (as you like to state):

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First and foremost, I would like to thank the many of you who took the time to compliment the band and I for our devotion to creating music. We often deflect these comments trying to seem humble or gracious but we do care and we do work hard to be good at our craft. It feels great to have recognition from all over the globe for our efforts. Thank you.

Patrick, Chad and I spoke earlier today about the general good vibes following yesterday’s Facebook posts. We can feel the +LIVE+ community coming together although there is a tremendous amount of work to be done to grow even further. Chad, Patrick and I have made a commitment to resume working on +LIVE+. This means we will be launching creative projects that will take a great deal of energy and time to develop. We would like your support and patients in our efforts. We would like your contributions and thoughts too! Please see that there is no set path to follow to reach our goal. As with all creative processes, we must be willing to journey to all ends to reach our desired vision (insert rock n’ roll mayhem).

With our MCA/ Universal contract long behind us, +LIVE+ are permitted to rerecord any song under our considerable catalog. Yes, this would include rare gems such as “Hold Me Up.” This means that +LIVE+ would control the master rights, meaning we could finally set a release schedule without consideration from a major label. There is a ton of demand for these recordings, so we’ll be back in the studio by late August to track these. This also means we could come up with some pretty amazing packages for the fans that weren’t previously possible and/or available.

Most important, we’ll have to go through a process of learning and connecting with the early feel of what made a Live song sound like +LIVE+. As musicians, there are many sides to our characters and through the years we’ve had an opportunity to explore them. Some elements were hugely successful and some just fell flat. It was the +LIVE+ community that allowed us the creative freedom to stray from the successful formulas of Mental Jewelry or Throwing Copper. Secret Samadhi was a deeply personal and creative indulgence. The world embraced the band who delivered “Lightning Crashes” yet we returned with “Lakini’s Juice” and “Freaks”! Maybe we were drunk on our own success but there was absolute creative freedom in that moment. We could have cared less about commercial validation. We wanted to take our community on a ride through the conscious mind and into the subconscious. It’s a great example of how diverse one group of musicians can be.

+LIVE+ at its best operated without pretense. There were no discussions about what had worked or what didn’t. This attitude encompassed all elements of the band; for example, how we dressed or presented ourselves. It was always changing and evolving without consideration for those who had to drum up marketing plans and promotional efforts. We were a nightmare for anyone who wanted to put us in a box and sell widgets. I was skinny then I got fat then skinny again. Ed had hair then he shaved his head; was he a Hare Krishna with that pony tail “thing”? Trust me, we heard it all.

The thing that made +LIVE+ so willing to just simply float into the creative was this very community. You seemed so excited and enthused every time we journeyed to new ground. You added fuel to a fire that was already burning bright and the band found new dynamics within itself and its music. We were not alone in that space. You were there to bear witness.

Despite the record company’s attempts to change the title of “Lakini’s Juice” and “Secret Samadhi” you gave us the faith to tell them to fuck off! We said that +LIVE+ fans don’t want a safety net, they don’t want “Throwing Copper part II” they want a revolution and we’re going to deliver it! I wish you could have seen their faces when “Lakini’s Juice” went straight to #1 on the Modern Rock Charts. To make things even better, “Secret Samadhi” debuted at #1 on the Billboard Album Charts. To be clear, +LIVE+ didn’t do that, YOU DID!

Our sense of internal confidence was at an all-time high. We felt incredibly rewarded as artists. We knew we had built a fan base like no other band at the time. A +LIVE+ fan was about something bigger than just music. You are smart; you are brave; you are compassionate; you are willing to address your own limitations; you are revolutionaries. The only bands I know who could have said the same thing came in the shape of Radiohead, Pearl Jam, Perfect Circle or Nine Inch Nails. Their core fan bases seem to also propel them into new uncharted waters. +LIVE+ was so lucky to have your support.

At some point following The Distance To Here, our industry began to collapse. The MP3 was the new media and radio had gone from supporting independent artists to a consolidated commercial industry. The once daring, were forced to submit to corporate policies or move out of the format. MTV stopped airing 120 Minutes and went into programming reality television. It turns out that revolutionaries like +LIVE+ fans are too hard to predict so the billions of dollars spent in entertainment marketing were focused on pre-teens. Enter the era of Britney, Avril, Miley, Pink, Bieber, etc. To those marketers credit, it worked very well but we all know this doesn’t have much to do with music and most certainly had nothing to do with +LIVE+.

There was no Facebook or Twitter and no way to connect on a personal level. Some of the disconnect took the air out of our sails. We were also disconnecting as a group of men. I began to focus on being a father and the rest of the guys were just beginning to get married or divorced. The once childlike creative environment around us began to change. The band experienced its first commercial failure with “V”. I won’t go into details as I’ve written about that in the past. The end result was a band searching to find itself without the support of its label, management or fans. Don’t get me wrong, there were millions of +LIVE+ fans but our direct connection to you was limited. The very thing that made +LIVE+ so incredibly willing to be creative and free was the very thing pulling us apart. We all agreed to disagree on the next vision of +LIVE+ and soon it fell apart.

The +LIVE+ that you find today is once again connected with its community. It was simple to find our ground. We had to start back at the beginning. We had to “let it go” to get it back together. Who knew those words from “Operation Spirit” would be the foundation of our rediscovery and rebirth?


On day one, we had to struggle to find our way back into playing +LIVE+. Patrick and I spent a day just listening to Mental Jewelry. We laughed our way through trying to recall how and what we played when we were 18 year olds. Each verse and each chorus were exactly the same chords. We just got louder for the chorus; think “Louie Louie” or “Wild Thing.” We gave so much room for those incredible lyrics Ed was bringing to the table. Everything was inspired by our reading of Krishnamurti and our youthful take of questioning what was. I suddenly felt inspired to write and play those types of songs and the vault of my +LIVE+ demos grew by leaps and bounds. Next up was “Throwing Copper” and more than ever we began being inspired by ourselves. When we finally put on our instruments we had to carefully consider how we performed the songs when they were recorded. I heard parts I hadn’t played in years. The years of touring and adaptation were stripped away and we had a more raw version of where we left off. We recorded the session and listened back. Everyone was moved to do more and we soon realized that the old spirit of +LIVE+ was back; odd that we employed the formulas from Mental Jewelry and Throwing Copper to find our footing. It sounded fucking amazing!

We invited a longtime friend into the fold. He is a vocalist who is a friend of the +LIVE+ community who was sensitive to our emotions surrounding these songs. I asked myself how it would feel to even perform these songs without Ed. I for one was more hesitant than any fan. I had worked arm in arm with Ed for so many years, I couldn’t imagine that it would feel okay without him. I knew I couldn’t let my filters into the room. I had to be open to the experience. Surprisingly, I was paying little attention to the vocals as I was working hard to recall how to play my own parts. Gracey and Dahlheimer were doing the same. At some point, I began to sing background vocals and I realized, it felt exactly the same. The music was rising above the individuals and it sounded and felt youthful and strong. It is +LIVE+.

I asked Matt Gracey to drop in to rehearsals. Matt’s a no bullshit kind of guy who would speak the truth no matter if it hurt. When I saw his subtle head shake at the back of the room, I knew the band was being reborn. The +LIVE+ I fell in love with was blasting through the walls filling the air of York, PA with the music it helped to birth. Just like the garage on Newberry Street, there would be very few witnesses, there would be no autographs or fan photos but I knew we were back.

I’ve learned over the last few years that the real voice of +LIVE+ is with you the fans. In concert you would often overpower the PA system. I know we should honor and respect our history with each other and that includes Ed’s contributions. We too should respect Ed’s wishes to remain a singer/songwriter. I’ve come to a place where I totally understand his wishes to work outside of the boundaries created by Chad, Patrick and myself. Despite our creative differences, we will always be linked and bound to our history with each other and the brotherhood of our youth. Ed Kowalczyk, Chad Gracey, Patrick Dahlheimer and Chad Taylor would never want you to divide yourselves or cut each other down over choosing sides. In the new era, we have a +LIVE+ community that can embrace The Gracious Few, Ed & Adam Kowalczyk and anyone else who may join the fold.


As I said previously, there will be no exclusions. The +LIVE+ community will take the time to listen generously to each member of the band and its fans. We will reward and acknowledge each other for our efforts. Most important, we will return to making the music that set so many of us free.

- Chad Taylor


You know this information is on the same page but you choose to cherry pick a statement that fits your agenda.....sounds grand....your training is complete young jedi failure.

This post has been edited by OutToDry: Jan 22 2012, 9:41 pm


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Hoodstock   Do You Guy's Have A Problem With This?   Jan 21 2012, 6:39 pm
OutToDry   I believe the issue is the concert promoters at th...   Jan 21 2012, 7:03 pm
SJN1279   I believe the issue is the concert promoters at t...   Jan 21 2012, 8:29 pm
SJN1279   Ed Kowalczyk former lead singer of ...   Jan 21 2012, 8:31 pm
Aitkens   Ed Kowalczyk former lead singer of ...   Jan 21 2012, 11:44 pm
SJN1279   No it's not the same message you moron. ...   Jan 22 2012, 12:08 am
Aitkens   Ed will always be the lead singer of LIVE that pe...   Jan 22 2012, 12:10 am
SJN1279   See, he WAS the lead singer of Live. He IS NOT t...   Jan 22 2012, 12:19 am
Aitkens   However he is still LIVE's Ed Kowalczyk. As ...   Jan 22 2012, 12:22 am
Hoodstock   If LIVE 2.0 every starts up, it will be more bene...   Jan 22 2012, 12:39 pm
Aitkens   Look I get it, you aren't an English teacher, ...   Jan 22 2012, 12:34 am
Pokey   Jesus christ Nick, how hard is it for you to under...   Jan 22 2012, 3:44 am
OutToDry   The venues promotions do it, probably w/o eds know...   Jan 22 2012, 5:33 am
SJN1279   The venues promotions do it, probably w/o eds kno...   Jan 22 2012, 9:53 am
OutToDry   perhaps this statement informs you. Your pass...   Jan 22 2012, 10:20 am
SJN1279   perhaps this statement informs you. Your passiv...   Jan 22 2012, 10:25 am
dancing queen   If it was ILLEGAL as you say, he wouldn't be ...   Jan 23 2012, 2:09 am
SJN1279   Nick, is it a joke that you're a teacher? or ...   Jan 23 2012, 7:20 am
OutToDry   Hence my statement that it's most likely the c...   Jan 22 2012, 10:36 am
SJN1279   I love how the very people who complain about me p...   Jan 22 2012, 10:40 am
Pokey   I love how the very people who complain about me ...   Jan 22 2012, 11:21 am
OutToDry   um simpleton, it was a poll which discusses curren...   Jan 22 2012, 10:50 am
Aitkens   Actually this would be a "Live" issue, t...   Jan 22 2012, 10:51 am
Hoodstock   Actually this would be a "Live" issue, ...   Jan 22 2012, 1:15 pm
SJN1279   I put it here because it's about Ed and his t...   Jan 22 2012, 3:16 pm
Pokey   I actually voted no by accident in the poll . ...   Jan 22 2012, 4:50 pm
Aitkens   To quote their facebook page... Nope, no menti...   Jan 22 2012, 4:57 pm
SJN1279   To quote their facebook page... Nope, no mention ...   Jan 22 2012, 5:12 pm
Aitkens   Either way its fine. Ed will continue on. Yes...   Jan 22 2012, 5:16 pm
SJN1279   Yes he will, clinging to the past successes, all ...   Jan 22 2012, 5:18 pm
Aitkens   Um, what do you think CCP are doing trying to bri...   Jan 22 2012, 5:21 pm
SJN1279   The difference is that they aren't lying to e...   Jan 22 2012, 6:44 pm
Aitkens   From LIVE's Facebook: +LIVE+ are back, havin...   Jan 22 2012, 6:58 pm
SJN1279   It's not deception at all. For the people th...   Jan 22 2012, 7:04 pm
Aitkens   Have they posted a status saying they recruited a...   Jan 22 2012, 7:10 pm
SJN1279   They must have, or else we wouldn't know that...   Jan 22 2012, 7:25 pm
Aitkens   They have not. thank you creepy stalker guy.   Jan 22 2012, 7:31 pm
SJN1279   here's your fucking deception asshat (as you ...   Jan 22 2012, 11:19 pm
OutToDry   The info I pulled is on the main page under LIVE ...   Jan 23 2012, 5:55 am
OutToDry   Show the proof.....oh that's right........ you...   Jan 23 2012, 7:24 am
SJN1279   Show the proof.....oh that's right........ yo...   Jan 23 2012, 8:56 am
Aitkens   I can't prove it, but late night posts that s...   Jan 23 2012, 9:05 am
FishOutaWater   This is borderline, but I don't think I have a...   Jan 23 2012, 11:58 am
World Dreamer   If this points to one thing, it is that Ed needs...   Jan 23 2012, 12:57 pm
SJN1279   And what ticks people off is his claims of wantin...   Jan 23 2012, 1:00 pm
Aitkens   He wanted to move on from the 3 members of LIVE w...   Jan 23 2012, 2:02 pm
World Dreamer   That's not what he said. He said he wanted t...   Jan 23 2012, 2:53 pm
Badman   I'm on the fence for right now. But as soon a...   Jan 23 2012, 2:11 pm
SJN1279   I'm on the fence for right now. But as soon ...   Jan 23 2012, 3:36 pm
World Dreamer   He can still use the moniker and perform the song...   Jan 23 2012, 4:37 pm
Badman   He can still use the moniker and perform the song...   Jan 24 2012, 1:13 pm
SJN1279   But does he own the rights to the songs? Paul Mc...   Jan 24 2012, 1:41 pm
FishOutaWater   Of course he is allowed to perform them in concert...   Jan 24 2012, 2:36 pm
Hoodstock   :stare:   Jan 23 2012, 6:51 pm
Pokey   So Nick, in your mind it's not fine for CCP to...   Jan 24 2012, 3:11 pm
OutToDry   the deception is there according to the little gre...   Jan 24 2012, 8:05 pm
SJN1279   If he chooses to come back and work in total par...   Jan 24 2012, 8:18 pm
Pokey   Which would be ideal for many, at least on a part...   Jan 25 2012, 12:08 am
OutToDry   what do you mean on part time? Solo ops? Sure.....   Jan 24 2012, 8:29 pm
OutToDry   another violation it seems. zman, what up?   Jan 28 2012, 6:14 pm


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