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post Jan 13 2012, 1:57 pm
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Everclear without Art Alexakis
Pumpkins without Billy Corgan
Bush without Gavin Rossdale
3EB without Stephan Jenkins
Nirvana without Kurt

But, don't worry... LIVE has a new singer.

This is a joke right? Complete with a Karaoke singer, how about that?

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QUOTE(Arizona_Skies @ Jan 13 2012, 2:57 pm) *

Everclear without Art Alexakis
Pumpkins without Billy Corgan
Bush without Gavin Rossdale
3EB without Stephan Jenkins
Nirvana without Kurt

But, don't worry... LIVE has a new singer.

This is a joke right? Complete with a Karaoke singer, how about that?

Peace


Obviously you have no idea what it means to be "Straight Outta York". I suggest you go back into Live's history to learn what inspired them, what they stood for, the subject matter they tackled, their idealism. If you're still hung up on who's singing, or what the singer sounds like, then you don't understand what this band was all about before someone took over and changed their direction. To anyone that does understand, they'll give it a chance to see if it captures the essence of what they once were. To you, you can still have 3EB. I think they are still making shitty pop music. Or you just substitute whatever shitty ass flavor of the month rock band you'd like if they aren't. How about that?

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post Jan 13 2012, 4:06 pm
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I think that once again, we all need to be thinking realistically about the commercial success of new Live. As much as I would like to see live become successful again, I don't believe that Live will become a commercial success again, especially without Ed, who was the bald, eccentric, identifiable spiritual front man of the band. Nobody besides people who belong to the fan club and message board could name the guitarist, bassist or drummer of Live.

On the other hand, I totally get the Straight Outa York thing and the Spirit of Live vibe and I fully support it living on and evolving forward without Ed if he does not want to join the other three members of Live in a mutually agreeable way. More than any other band, I see Live as representing something bigger than the 4 members of the band. That's why most of us are here.

So there are two ways of looking at new Live. And I think that ultimately, new Live will be for the second way of looking at it. It will be for the small group of hard core fans who come to the clubs and buy the records. But I don't think that it will be widely successful in the commercial sense. It is way too hard to make money in the music industry these days unless you are on the Voice or American Idol. And it is even harder for a 90's band to come back from the dead.

And eventually, I fear that it will draw to a close under the weight of its financial infeasibility, just as I suppose the pressure took its toll on TGF. Whenever I saw TGF perform in a small venue with 100 to 200 people in atendance, with a tour bus and Matt Gracey doing sound check and Bill running around doing tour manager stuff, and a crew setting up lights and sound, I thought to myself - these are seasoned professionals and perfectionists that are used to performing a show in a certain way. They aren't going to put on a show with half-assed sound and stage. And it is that level of overhead that they demanded which ultimately was the undoing of the band from a financial perspective. Maybe the same happens with Live. I am guessing it will. But I hope not.


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QUOTE(FishOutaWater @ Jan 13 2012, 5:06 pm) *

I think that once again, we all need to be thinking realistically about the commercial success of new Live. As much as I would like to see live become successful again, I don't believe that Live will become a commercial success again, especially without Ed, who was the bald, eccentric, identifiable spiritual front man of the band. Nobody besides people who belong to the fan club and message board could name the guitarist, bassist or drummer of Live.

On the other hand, I totally get the Straight Outa York thing and the Spirit of Live vibe and I fully support it living on and evolving forward without Ed if he does not want to join the other three members of Live in a mutually agreeable way. More than any other band, I see Live as representing something bigger than the 4 members of the band. That's why most of us are here.

So there are two ways of looking at new Live. And I think that ultimately, new Live will be for the second way of looking at it. It will be for the small group of hard core fans who come to the clubs and buy the records. But I don't think that it will be widely successful in the commercial sense. It is way too hard to make money in the music industry these days unless you are on the Voice or American Idol. And it is even harder for a 90's band to come back from the dead.

And eventually, I fear that it will draw to a close under the weight of its financial infeasibility, just as I suppose the pressure took its toll on TGF. Whenever I saw TGF perform in a small venue with 100 to 200 people in atendance, with a tour bus and Matt Gracey doing sound check and Bill running around doing tour manager stuff, and a crew setting up lights and sound, I thought to myself - these are seasoned professionals and perfectionists that are used to performing a show in a certain way. They aren't going to put on a show with half-assed sound and stage. And it is that level of overhead that they demanded which ultimately was the undoing of the band from a financial perspective. Maybe the same happens with Live. I am guessing it will. But I hope not.

I believe they have enough to work with to make it financially feasible and maybe even nicely profitable to carry on with Live. I have no doubt that they will work every angle possible to make it work all while doing their best to honor the type of music and statement that Live made during its heyday. It's certainly a new business model in which they are working but it also provides more creative freedom and the ability to branch out into multiple mediums without having to run everything through a major label. In other words, if it makes sense for them to do something, they should be able to do it. Those sorts of freedoms give them their best chance to sustain any sort of future for their band. They probably won't be showing up on any charts but charts are no longer the barometer for a band of their type being able to continue making music for a living.


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QUOTE(themaestro @ Jan 13 2012, 4:23 pm) *

I believe they have enough to work with to make it financially feasible and maybe even nicely profitable to carry on with Live. I have no doubt that they will work every angle possible to make it work all while doing their best to honor the type of music and statement that Live made during its heyday. It's certainly a new business model in which they are working but it also provides more creative freedom and the ability to branch out into multiple mediums without having to run everything through a major label. In other words, if it makes sense for them to do something, they should be able to do it. Those sorts of freedoms give them their best chance to sustain any sort of future for their band. They probably won't be showing up on any charts but charts are no longer the barometer for a band of their type being able to continue making music for a living.


I couldn't agree more topping the charts and selling millions of albums or even downloads in today's music culture is impossible unless you basically sell your soul. The work that C,C, and P are doing with their new lead singer is set up to not only honor the past, but to think about the future of their music and grown with the loyal fan base. Doing music for yourself on your own label has proven to be successful for many artist and often I feel some of their best work comes from this approach because not only do they have less filter, but with the artist putting up the bulk of their own money the music they put out has a sense of passionate urgency. I have no doubt what the guys put out will appeal to me, but I am sure it may not work for others. Either way that is the beauty of music, plenty of choices for everyone, but I know where I stand on this, Sons of York take us on a new ride I ready.


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Arizona_Skies   You're smoking something   Jan 13 2012, 1:57 pm
throwing_cheetahs   Everclear without [b]Art Alexakis Pumpkins withou...   Jan 13 2012, 2:13 pm
Pokey   Live has already changed lead singers once when th...   Jan 13 2012, 2:56 pm
zmanpga   Obviously you have no idea what it means to be ...   Jan 13 2012, 3:45 pm
MrSheptical   And eventually, I fear that it will draw to a clo...   Jan 14 2012, 7:19 pm
Aitkens   TGF were an unknown commodity even considering th...   Jan 14 2012, 11:55 pm
MrSheptical   I don't fault them for having the bus. They ...   Jan 15 2012, 7:05 pm
Arizona_Skies   I suggest you go back into Live's history to...   Jan 17 2012, 1:15 pm
dancing queen   Wow, that's a lot of work. Do I need to do a...   Jan 17 2012, 1:58 pm
themaestro   Wow, that's a lot of work. Do I need to do a...   Jan 17 2012, 10:39 pm
zmanpga   Art still plays in Everclear, only member left   Jan 13 2012, 3:48 pm
themaestro   Art still plays in Everclear, only member left ...   Jan 13 2012, 4:02 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   People make so little money on album sales, it...   Jan 13 2012, 6:26 pm
themaestro   People make so little money on album sales, it...   Jan 13 2012, 6:32 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   But, I guess to respond: Van Halen Genesis Blac...   Jan 13 2012, 6:33 pm
themaestro   But, I guess to respond: Van Halen Genesis Bla...   Jan 13 2012, 6:45 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I know you've said CS or whoever is singing s...   Jan 13 2012, 9:38 pm
Hoodstock   Another thread about the same thing. I can...   Jan 13 2012, 8:04 pm
OutToDry   Everclear sucks mightily. Saw them in 2000 with L...   Jan 14 2012, 8:49 am
Arizona_Skies   Everclear sucks mightily. Every song the same. ...   Jan 17 2012, 1:52 pm
Aitkens   This is a typical response. Just like "all ...   Jan 17 2012, 1:58 pm
zmanpga   music industry is in the shit, we have one of ROCK...   Jan 14 2012, 8:50 am
Good_Pain   music industry is in the shit, we have one of ROC...   Jan 14 2012, 11:10 am
zmanpga   Its really up to US to help our favorite bands pus...   Jan 14 2012, 1:16 pm
World Dreamer   Everclear without [b]Art Alexakis Pumpkins withou...   Jan 14 2012, 1:47 pm
Live4Life   If you aren't pumped about new Live then plea...   Jan 14 2012, 7:30 pm
Pokey   See what i mean, you threw nicks name in here for...   Jan 15 2012, 4:57 am
Live4Life   You seem to really, really like Nick when all you...   Jan 15 2012, 6:22 pm
World Dreamer   Nah, it's not that i really like him i'm ...   Jan 16 2012, 10:00 am
Live4Life   As tired as you are about people ganging up on Ni...   Jan 16 2012, 5:03 pm
OutToDry   That's a true story. Ed was excess....still i...   Jan 14 2012, 11:58 pm
Merica   That's a true story. Ed was excess....still ...   Jan 15 2012, 5:31 am
+Ed+   On topic: Camel or Kent superlights   Jan 15 2012, 4:29 am
Pokey   On topic: Camel or Kent superlights K_uFDSQ_Ius   Jan 15 2012, 4:59 am
Wambangalang   i know im a hotel kinda guy, dont much like roughi...   Jan 15 2012, 6:05 am
Pokey   The whole New Live being a failure thing is ridicu...   Jan 16 2012, 10:33 am
Wambangalang   The whole New Live being a failure thing is ridic...   Jan 16 2012, 4:29 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I AM smoking something. How did you know??   Jan 16 2012, 4:34 pm
OutToDry   The term 'driving force' behind the band i...   Jan 17 2012, 2:28 pm
Arizona_Skies   As stated, when Ed took over, everything went to ...   Jan 17 2012, 2:55 pm
Pokey   Not true. Ed was the driving force behind Throwi...   Jan 17 2012, 3:14 pm
OutToDry   Not true. Ed was the driving force behind Throwi...   Jan 17 2012, 3:50 pm
Arizona_Skies   Music is not only lyrics. I think the 3 members ...   Jan 17 2012, 6:19 pm
mattyeagles   People on this board are very quick to discredit e...   Jan 17 2012, 7:18 pm
Arizona_Skies   The first 4 albums would not have been made witho...   Jan 17 2012, 7:31 pm
OutToDry   Amen brother. who is saying that without ...   Jan 17 2012, 7:34 pm
Arizona_Skies   Without the 4 of them and what they created colle...   Jan 17 2012, 7:51 pm
OutToDry   People on this board are very quick to discredit ...   Jan 17 2012, 7:33 pm
World Dreamer   Not true. Ed was the driving force behind Throwi...   Jan 17 2012, 3:58 pm
OutToDry   ...to AS.....what the fuck are you trying to prove...   Jan 17 2012, 7:27 pm
Live4Life   uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh   Jan 17 2012, 8:06 pm
Bremang   C'mon, the singer/songwriter is usually the mo...   Jan 17 2012, 9:41 pm
themaestro   C'mon, the singer/songwriter is usually the m...   Jan 17 2012, 10:35 pm
OutToDry   Put Ed out front all you want. He was the symbo...   Jan 17 2012, 10:40 pm
Pokey   C'mon, the singer/songwriter is usually the m...   Jan 17 2012, 10:41 pm
themaestro   This discussion is really stupid. So Ed was the mo...   Jan 17 2012, 10:47 pm
Arizona_Skies   Make no mistake, he drew a lot of inspiration and...   Jan 18 2012, 1:59 am
Bremang   Do you know Eddie K? How the fuck do you know ...   Jan 18 2012, 2:51 am
Pokey   Do you know Eddie K? How the fuck do you know he...   Jan 18 2012, 2:51 am
themaestro   Do you know Eddie K? Yes   Jan 18 2012, 7:44 am
themaestro   This is the problem with this board: since we on...   Jan 18 2012, 8:05 am
themaestro   One need not know EK on such a personal level to u...   Jan 18 2012, 8:48 am
FishOutaWater   One need not know EK on such a personal level to ...   Jan 18 2012, 9:39 am
Bremang   Ed probably did do more than 25% realistically....   Jan 18 2012, 3:00 am
zmanpga   C'mon, the singer/songwriter is usually the m...   Jan 18 2012, 6:25 am
Pokey   So who is to say that with another talented singer...   Jan 17 2012, 10:35 pm
OutToDry   So who is to say that with another talented singe...   Jan 17 2012, 10:41 pm
OutToDry   guess it's fair to revisit this...... http://...   Jan 17 2012, 10:37 pm
Wambangalang   you dont really want ed fronting live do you? He...   Jan 18 2012, 2:31 am
Live4Life   OMG For the love of FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK   Jan 18 2012, 7:13 am
FishOutaWater   I know I must be excited about this. I had a drea...   Jan 18 2012, 7:30 am
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