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post Oct 3 2011, 6:16 pm
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Ed will be performing at the Downtown Countdown 2011 in Atlanta on New Years Eve. He will be on stage from 10:15-11:45 right before the midnight countdown to the ball drop. He will be followed by Naughty By Nature who will take the stage at 12am.

From Facebook: "(Ed K.) Atlanta! I'll be performing and ringing in 2012 with you this year at Downtown Countdown, see you 12/31/11 :-)"

From Entertainment Atlanta: Ed Kowalczyk, widely known as the lead-singer, frontman, guitarist of the band LIVE, has built an impressive résumé with his bandmates that includes eight full-length albums, total CD sales exceeding 20 million, a huge international fan base and extensive touring all over the world. Live has been one of the most successful and enduring alternative rock bands of the 1990s and 2000s. Look for Ed to perform all of Live's biggest hits will his full rock band! Check out a video of Ed Kowalczyk's live show!



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post Oct 10 2011, 1:54 am
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Surely Ed can't be ignorant to how he's being booked. Whilst it may not be his idea (or maybe it is, only speculation) you'd think your integrity as a person who professes to be good and true would be to say "hey I shouldn't be booked this way anymore guys.." but we all know he's not going to initiate that conversation.


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post Oct 10 2011, 9:47 am
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I think that Ed should be slapped with a temporary restratining order to cease this activity. If I get fired from my job at a prestigious employer, I can't go around doing public speaking and writing articles and passing out my business card with my former employer's name on it, passing myself off as still being employed by them. Particularly if trading on that name accrues commercial and financial benefit to me and I knowingly and intentionally do so (or tacitly approve it or acquiesce as to its use) for personal gain. On top of that, Ed's former band, Live, could be commercial harmed by this activity to the extent that the public is deceived into thinking that Ed is still with the band and Live has a harder time communicating clearly that Ed is no longer with Live, that Live is moving on, and Live has a new singer. This kind of advertising will create confusion and dilute Live's message that it is new, it is moving on, and it has a new lead singer. They will have a hard enough time pivoting away from Ed without having Ed out their billing himself as the singer of Live and identifying himself with a band with which he is no longer associated. It's yet another form of stealing. Stealing money, stealing royalties from the publishing of his solo performance sales, and stealing the good name and reputation and good will of the band Live, which he does not have the legal right to use. That kind of behavior is not very Christian and it is not just business. It is unethical.

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Is there any official statement from CCP that Ed is no longer part of Live? The only thing I've seen is a blog post by Chad T and perhaps something on Facebook.

Until Ed's replacement is announced, I don't have a problem with Ed being promoted as being "from Live".


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post Oct 10 2011, 10:08 am
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I have been under the impression (to some extend from OutToDry's posts here) that the legal separation has technically occured. If that is true, then that's the issue.


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QUOTE(FishOutaWater @ Oct 10 2011, 11:08 am) *

I have been under the impression (to some extend from OutToDry's posts here) that the legal separation has technically occured. If that is true, then that's the issue.


A statement from OTD is not a legally binding document. If there was a real issue, Ed wouldn't be allowed to be billed as Ed Kowalczyk of LIVE or LIVE's Ed Kowalczyk.

If/when a new singer is announced, he can be billed as "Ed Kowalczyk-original lead singer of LIVE" and do just fine. It really isn't a huge deal.


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post Oct 10 2011, 12:10 pm
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QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Oct 10 2011, 12:32 pm) *

A statement from OTD is not a legally binding document. If there was a real issue, Ed wouldn't be allowed to be billed as Ed Kowalczyk of LIVE or LIVE's Ed Kowalczyk.

If/when a new singer is announced, he can be billed as "Ed Kowalczyk-original lead singer of LIVE" and do just fine. It really isn't a huge deal.



He's not out when they announce a new lead singer. He's out when he is removed from the legal entities and management structure of Live. Has that happened yet? It sounds like they are keeping that private. If that has happened, and Ed is still billing himself as though he is still the lead singer, then that's pretty shady. If you read between the lines of OTD's posts, it is a real issue for CCP and it sounds like they are trying to take action. I think that OTD knows more about the subject than most of us. Just a hunch.


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QUOTE(FishOutaWater @ Oct 10 2011, 1:10 pm) *

He's not out when they announce a new lead singer. He's out when he is removed from the legal entities and management structure of Live. Has that happened yet? It sounds like they are keeping that private. If that has happened, and Ed is still billing himself as though he is still the lead singer, then that's pretty shady. If you read between the lines of OTD's posts, it is a real issue for CCP and it sounds like they are trying to take action. I think that OTD knows more about the subject than most of us. Just a hunch.


It isn't shady at all. He is being billed as LIVE's Ed Kowalczyk and playing LIVE songs as well as solo material. People attending shows are getting what is billed.


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QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Oct 10 2011, 5:13 pm) *

It isn't shady at all. He is being billed as LIVE's Ed Kowalczyk and playing LIVE songs as well as solo material. People attending shows are getting what is billed.



Let me quote from that promotional poster:

"Ed Kowalczyk is the singer and songwriting force behind the multi-platinum rock band Live."

That sentence is incorrect and misleading on two different counts. First, it says that he "is" the singer of Live in the present tense. Second, it says that he is the congwriting force behind Live. That is taking too much credit and not giving credit where credit is due.

There are 7 paragraphs in that poster including the Title. The sole message of every single one of those seven lines is about Live. Every part of the poster, including the video, is about Live. The only mention of his solo career is the small note that he actually has a solo album. The video is nothing but Live songs and even when the video says "and songs from his solo album" All Over You pipes in.


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post Oct 10 2011, 5:37 pm
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QUOTE(FishOutaWater @ Oct 10 2011, 5:33 pm) *

Let me quote from that promotional poster:

"Ed Kowalczyk is the singer and songwriting force behind the multi-platinum rock band Live."

That sentence is incorrect and misleading on two different counts. First, it says that he "is" the singer of Live in the present tense. Second, it says that he is the congwriting force behind Live. That is taking too much credit and not giving credit where credit is due.



Every LIVE song ever created up to this point, Ed has written at least the lyrics for. A new version of LIVE has yet to see the light of day.


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QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Oct 10 2011, 6:37 pm) *


Every LIVE song ever created up to this point, Ed has written at least the lyrics for. A new version of LIVE has yet to see the light of day.




How does this (second part) have any relevance to the response to the 'OP' poster? In the first part, your response actual is a contradiction.



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Hoodstock   Ed Performing On New Years Eve   Oct 3 2011, 6:16 pm
Bremang   cuz i'm naughty by naycha, not cuz i hatcha   Oct 3 2011, 7:03 pm
mfitz804   That's quite an interesting pairing.   Oct 4 2011, 10:03 am
jclive   That's quite an interesting pairing. They a...   Oct 4 2011, 12:43 pm
mfitz804   Sounds like a good time, anyway.   Oct 4 2011, 2:16 pm
dangum   Noticed this promo video that was linked on the En...   Oct 8 2011, 12:30 am
OutToDry   I wont comment on how odd that looks.   Oct 8 2011, 7:50 am
Pokey   wow Naughty by Nature are still around!   Oct 8 2011, 9:07 am
thefunkyredcaboose   At what point does the "of Live" distinc...   Oct 8 2011, 12:50 pm
briburge   At what point does the "of Live" distin...   Oct 8 2011, 5:54 pm
OutToDry   It is an issue, we just don't hear about it i...   Oct 8 2011, 2:15 pm
World Dreamer   It should read "Formerly of Live" if he ...   Oct 8 2011, 6:30 pm
alexou   I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Ed here....   Oct 8 2011, 7:08 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I'll give the benefit of the doubt to Ed here...   Oct 8 2011, 10:27 pm
briburge   I doubt Ed has much to do with it on a practical ...   Oct 9 2011, 10:00 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I get it from a technical standpoint but who real...   Oct 9 2011, 8:36 pm
OutToDry   thats probably true, but it seems every show he...   Oct 8 2011, 7:14 pm
Badman   I can imagine Ed asking Jesus for forgiveness befo...   Oct 9 2011, 5:23 pm
Hoodstock   I can imagine Ed asking Jesus for forgiveness bef...   Oct 9 2011, 6:43 pm
dancing queen   that poster is hideous on so many levels, not the ...   Oct 9 2011, 7:21 pm
Merica   [b]A statement from OTD is not a legally binding ...   Oct 10 2011, 11:40 am
World Dreamer   A statement from OTD is not a legally binding doc...   Oct 10 2011, 12:08 pm
Pokey   A statement from OTD is not a legally binding doc...   Oct 10 2011, 3:01 pm
FishOutaWater   I'm pretty sure that when Chris Cornell plays ...   Oct 10 2011, 3:26 pm
World Dreamer   I'm pretty sure that when Chris Cornell plays...   Oct 10 2011, 3:45 pm
zmanpga   ya, spill the beans there OTD :D :thumbsup: :wav...   Oct 10 2011, 12:17 pm
OutToDry   answers lie within this board, please use your ski...   Oct 10 2011, 1:01 pm
Hoodstock   answers lie within this board, please use your sk...   Oct 11 2011, 5:07 pm
World Dreamer   Just another example of Ed "moving on". ...   Oct 10 2011, 3:17 pm
OutToDry   As I referred to before.....this is a current issu...   Oct 10 2011, 4:45 pm
OutToDry   As I referred to before.....this is a current issu...   Oct 10 2011, 4:45 pm
+Ed+   I went to a Cornell solo show in Tulsa. First off...   Oct 10 2011, 11:27 pm
Pokey   It's pointless guys. Ed can never, ever, do an...   Oct 11 2011, 12:53 am
SinfulEyes   How many of us started to feel like Live was a jok...   Oct 11 2011, 2:58 pm
World Dreamer   How many of us started to feel like Live was a jo...   Oct 11 2011, 3:01 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   How many of us started to feel like Live was a jo...   Oct 11 2011, 6:30 pm
dangum   Here is a telephone interview with Ed. http://atl...   Dec 18 2011, 12:30 am


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