What really happened to Ed? Options

[Arizona_Skies]

From the Salt Lake Tribune:

"I had simply come to the end of a chapter in my life and wanted to spread my wings and move beyond what I had been doing, in the same way, for almost 20 years. As far as the allegations that were leveled at me and purported as the reason for the breakup, they were all absolutely untrue. I have no plans to work with those individuals again."

I know there's a lot of speculation on this board, and some of you know the band members personally... does anyone know Ed's side of the story?

[Pokey]

Most of the ones saying things that are akin to Nick asking to be counted out are not fans. Hell Nick specifically asked to be counted out as a fan.  He was jumping off the wagon and washing his hands of it... Yet he still hangs around. Why? Then claims there are a lot of people that feel the same as he does. These are a sampling of those people on Facebook. If they feel that way - walk away. Let the people who are optimistic about Live's future or at the least curiously willing to give it a chance in peace. 

You're arguing that they should be able to vent themselves to CCP, so if I were to go on Eds facebook and give him an earful then that'd be cool in your eyes right? 

And I disagree with almost all of your points. Expecting a band to just put up with people telling them that they don't even exist without one member should warrant a response. In this day and age where social media allows us to interact directly with our celebrities. 
As much as you they should have to wear any shit that is flung at them publicly then whoever is flinging the shit should expect a reply based on how social media has changed things. How you can think they don't have any kind of right of reply is beyond me. 

There is a huge difference between people reviewing their music and disparaging comments about the band. If you'd bother to read my post you'd see you do agree with some of the sentences I wrote because I said you have to expect the good reviews with the bad. If someone tells Live they don't like the new album after they listened to it then all CCP could say is "I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it". 
Someone making a judgement call before giving the band a chance. Basically telling them they have no faith in their abilities to produce the goods without the man that left them. It's just fucking different. 

And you'd also note that I said people doing it directly to Ed should also wear it if Ed spat back at them. I don't think people should be attacking Ed any more than they should attack Live on Facebook.  It's not a double standards thing. If you aren't interested in what they're doing then piss off. 
I'm not interested in what Eds doing and I dont feel the need to let him and all his fans on facebook know that, I just don't follow him. 
Bitching at CCP isn't going to do anyone any good. And if you say it's emotion and passion and venting and all of that then why does that not apply to CCP to reply to these people if they feel they need to? They're people too, they're not corporate robots that need to portray a nice clean neat company image. 

In the end we're not going to agree though so I'll leave it at that.

[Bremang]

You're arguing that they should be able to vent themselves to CCP, so if I were to go on Eds facebook and give him an earful then that'd be cool in your eyes right?

How you can think they don't have any kind of right of reply is beyond me.

There is a huge difference between people reviewing their music and disparaging comments about the band. If you'd bother to read my post you'd see you do agree with some of the sentences I wrote because I said you have to expect the good reviews with the bad. If someone tells Live they don't like the new album after they listened to it then all CCP could say is "I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it".
Someone making a judgement call before giving the band a chance. Basically telling them they have no faith in their abilities to produce the goods without the man that left them. It's just fucking different.

And you'd also note that I said people doing it directly to Ed should also wear it if Ed spat back at them. I don't think people should be attacking Ed any more than they should attack Live on Facebook. It's not a double standards thing. If you aren't interested in what they're doing then piss off.
I'm not interested in what Eds doing and I dont feel the need to let him and all his fans on facebook know that, I just don't follow him.
Bitching at CCP isn't going to do anyone any good. And if you say it's emotion and passion and venting and all of that then why does that not apply to CCP to reply to these people if they feel they need to? They're people too, they're not corporate robots that need to portray a nice clean neat company image.

In the end we're not going to agree though so I'll leave it at that.

(i'll skip everything you said about having rights, or reviewing, live not existing, and any other embellished issue that nobody is arguing, that you seemed to invent on your own)


I don't care if a fan has an uncool opinion. i just don't want CCP to be uncool in return. Earnestly talking down to your dissenting fans when you're in a band is the lamest shit in the world. All it serves is to get all jerry springer with super emotional fans who ass kiss at every turn. At least the venting isn't ass kissing. I would rather read a genuine heartfelt dissenting than comment then read people on Lives fb who piggyback on every positive comment just to show support, like posting and "liking" every freaking opportunity. In fact, CCP remind me of billy corgan who has moderators delete any dissenting comments on the bands official message board. So lame. Unless CCP are just commenting to rile up the moronic ass kissing fans, they should definitely try to care less about their wall. The only redeeming quality is that maybe the band will drop some news, like Chad G. saying that they couldn't reach Ed. (actually, that makes all the bs worthwhile). Yes, fans should definitely hate on Ed's board if they don't like what hes done, if they feel the desire to tell it there. Again and again and again, pretty much anyone on the wall has an interest.

This post has been edited by Bremang: Oct 4 2011, 4:02 am

[Pokey]

(i'll skip everything you said about having rights, or reviewing, live not existing, and any other embellished issue that nobody is arguing, that you seemed to invent on your own)

"No Ed, No Live" .. this comment implies that Live does not exist to this person as Ed is not in Live anymore. It was very much one of the comments that started this whole thing and is a relevant point. That is no embellishment. Tell me how you could take that any other way?

Having rights is very much a part of it, CCP have every right to reply to anyone that speaks directly to them. It's like saying I should be able to say anything I want to you, poke you with the verbal stick all I want but you are not allowed to return fire at me.
If you are implying that CCP should "grow up" and ignore the comments, then why can't you say these people should grow up and learn to accept change and if they don't like it move on. If you say because it's a very emotional investment to them, then think of how much of a fucking emotional investment it is for CCP and any fan's experience won't even come close. So they get riled up, good fucking on them. The double standards are incredible man.