V vs SFBM 2:, lyrical comparisons Options

[LiveRoCkS77]

Please feel free to compare lyrical mishaps from these two albums. Post the worst and post the best. /By the end, hopefully we can mostly agree as to which was most poorly written.

My vote goes to V....although I'm open to being proven wrong.

Let the shitslinging begin!

This post has been edited by LiveRoCkS77: Sep 7 2011, 7:24 am

[Pokey]

Lazy songwriting in Ed's case, is not good .. when he's good he's amazing, when he's bad he's deplorable.

I think the open interpretation is a big part of it, not everything, but a part of it. The fact you can listen to SS for example and get a lot of different theories on exactly what a song is about and no one really be right or wrong, can be pretty special. Its not that they're nonsensical lyrics, just very open to interpretation. Where as SFBM it's all very "this is what this song is, nothing else". It's quite dull.

It's not a grammatical failing to say that the overuse of similes is a major failure. There is nothing grammatically incorrect about it or anything. Song writing is one time when grammar and the general laws of English can be thrown out the window - poetic licence. Sometimes it can actually enhance songs to take a little liberties with grammar and such. Sometimes you can even draw really beautiful similes. But when overused and really unimaginative its very dull. It sort of does go hand in hand with the open interpretation thing ... that style of writing isn't promoting creativity or indeed as you say, asking the pertinent questions. It's specifically saying "hey look at this, its like this". Its very limiting.

V's lyrics are all over the place and completely different to anything Ed had written before. It was like he just got coked up and thought he'd give something new a go (strong possibility thats what happened maybe!). So it's hard to get too worked up or angry at them because they're just ... throw away. Where as with SFBM you get the feel he sat down and went "ok, lets give this my best shot to write something good". And it churned out what it did.
I'm certainly not saying one is better than the other, just that one is worse than the other

[LiveRoCkS77]

Lazy songwriting in Ed's case, is not good .. when he's good he's amazing, when he's bad he's deplorable.

I think the open interpretation is a big part of it, not everything, but a part of it. The fact you can listen to SS for example and get a lot of different theories on exactly what a song is about and no one really be right or wrong, can be pretty special. Its not that they're nonsensical lyrics, just very open to interpretation. Where as SFBM it's all very "this is what this song is, nothing else". It's quite dull.

It's not a grammatical failing to say that the overuse of similes is a major failure. There is nothing grammatically incorrect about it or anything. Song writing is one time when grammar and the general laws of English can be thrown out the window - poetic licence. Sometimes it can actually enhance songs to take a little liberties with grammar and such. Sometimes you can even draw really beautiful similes. But when overused and really unimaginative its very dull. It sort of does go hand in hand with the open interpretation thing ... that style of writing isn't promoting creativity or indeed as you say, asking the pertinent questions. It's specifically saying "hey look at this, its like this". Its very limiting.

V's lyrics are all over the place and completely different to anything Ed had written before. It was like he just got coked up and thought he'd give something new a go (strong possibility thats what happened maybe!). So it's hard to get too worked up or angry at them because they're just ... throw away. Where as with SFBM you get the feel he sat down and went "ok, lets give this my best shot to write something good". And it churned out what it did.
I'm certainly not saying one is better than the other, just that one is worse than the other

I agree with what you're saying somewhat, but I completely disagree on the lyrics thing. I think the lyrics on V and SFBM are very similar on many different levels. I think this is where it all got started and that's why I hated it so much. By the time SFBM came along, I was already both expecting and used to it. V came on the heels of Live's debatably most spectacular and complete album. It was a complete and utter failure both lyrically and musically.

You hear the way he sings the opening line in People like you?? Sound more pussified than almost anything on SFBM. V doesn't really rock more, it's just not as pop sounding as SFBM. But musically, it's still amateur and completely sucks balls. Especially coming off the heels of TDTH.

So not to say that SFBM is necessarily better, but when you look at where it came from, it really does. V and SFBM were both equally gross, but again, when SFBM came out, we expected nothing more. When V hit and I listened to it from start to finish??? I was fucking horrified.


Let's continue with this....

Transmit Your Love

bow, bow everybody body in the hotel bow,
bow everybody in the motel don't knock if the door to my suite is closed
you should of come to the show but you didn't,
now you're wishin' that you had had to go to jimmy buffet
with your dad with LIVE,
its game seven every single night you have to put it on the line to step inside

transmit your love to me and silently make me whole again
transmit your love to me

bow, bow put your ear to the door and bow,
bow put your face to the floor and through the crack,
see the people kickin it inside and leavin it all behind in the name of love,
we raise the roof in the name of love,
do what we came to do in a town tonight where the streets have no name
and everybody feels the same the outside world is a goddamn shame

transmit your love to me and silently make me whole again
transmit your love to me

come on! tell your leaders love is in town to turn this whole thing
upside down we can't take it anymore

transmit your love to me silently make me whole again
transmit your love to me

(welcome to my world of love welcome to my space
above this sacred love welcome to my space of bliss
drive me to the heart of this sacred love sacred love)



I mean, come on!!! "Tell your leaders love is in town, to turn this whole thing upside down!""

That's absolutely fucking horrid!!!

"With Live it's game seven every single night, you have to put it on the line to step inside."

Can it get any more god damned cheesy???

YES...YES IT CAN!!!

The line leading into it is even worse!!!

[Sonic Tonic]

I agree with what you're saying somewhat, but I completely disagree on the lyrics thing. I think the lyrics on V and SFBM are very similar on many different levels. I think this is where it all got started and that's why I hated it so much. By the time SFBM came along, I was already both expecting and used to it. V came on the heels of Live's debatably most spectacular and complete album. It was a complete and utter failure both lyrically and musically.

You hear the way he sings the opening line in People like you?? Sound more pussified than almost anything on SFBM. V doesn't really rock more, it's just not as pop sounding as SFBM. But musically, it's still amateur and completely sucks balls. Especially coming off the heels of TDTH.

So not to say that SFBM is necessarily better, but when you look at where it came from, it really does. V and SFBM were both equally gross, but again, when SFBM came out, we expected nothing more. When V hit and I listened to it from start to finish??? I was fucking horrified.
Let's continue with this....

Transmit Your Love

bow, bow everybody body in the hotel bow,
bow everybody in the motel don't knock if the door to my suite is closed
you should of come to the show but you didn't,
now you're wishin' that you had had to go to jimmy buffet
with your dad with LIVE,
its game seven every single night you have to put it on the line to step inside

transmit your love to me and silently make me whole again
transmit your love to me

bow, bow put your ear to the door and bow,
bow put your face to the floor and through the crack,
see the people kickin it inside and leavin it all behind in the name of love,
we raise the roof in the name of love,
do what we came to do in a town tonight where the streets have no name
and everybody feels the same the outside world is a goddamn shame

transmit your love to me and silently make me whole again
transmit your love to me

come on! tell your leaders love is in town to turn this whole thing
upside down we can't take it anymore

transmit your love to me silently make me whole again
transmit your love to me

(welcome to my world of love welcome to my space
above this sacred love welcome to my space of bliss
drive me to the heart of this sacred love sacred love)
I mean, come on!!! "Tell your leaders love is in town, to turn this whole thing upside down!""

That's absolutely fucking horrid!!!

"With Live it's game seven every single night, you have to put it on the line to step inside."

Can it get any more god damned cheesy???

YES...YES IT CAN!!!

The line leading into it is even worse!!!

Indeed those are some bad lyrics and that's what kinda irks me cause musically the song is great. Imagine good Ed lyrics put with this song. Would be great.