Public school system in the USA Options

[SJN1279]

Do the taxpayers in the district that fund your $28,000/yr salary for your 8 months a year that you actually have to show up for work feel that they are getting their money's worth on that venture?

You are probably the least qualified here to discuss anything of financial matters.

I actually am an administrator in my school district and work all 12 months. Always nice when people knock education though.

[PurdueSteve]

I actually am an administrator in my school district and work all 12 months. Always nice when people knock education though.

So that means you make 3 times (or more) what you're actually worth, and then pretend that because you "think" that you are educating kids, as opposed to creating authority worshippers, that you're actually earning your keep.

This is OT, but I really cannot stand the self-righteous nature of those in the public education system that act like they aren't a leech on society, but rather something virtuous. Here's a news flash Mr. Administrator, you and the rest of your ilk are doing a very poor job. I'm within my right to "knock" that, as I'm capable of observation and understanding.

Again, this is OT, but this is the character that you are. When you live day in and day out within a position wherein you do not measure success by success, but rather by how long you can keep the charade going, why else should anyone expect anything different when it comes to an honest opinion regarding Eddie K, TGF or Live. You've been formally trained to ignore truth. You've been paid to teach children the same thing and work within a system that ignores truth. You are a walking embodiment of the concepts of anti-brain, anti-reason and anti-mind. Not that you had any credibility before now, but in case you did linger on to a shred, it should now be considered lost. Who can believe a fucking word you say?

e: I won't regret this post in 5 years. I guarantee it.

[Edit: this thread was not created by PurdueSteve. I have moved the 'public school' discussion from the Ed has no plans to rejoin Live thread into this new topic. -dangum]

This post has been edited by dangum: Jul 13 2011, 11:01 pm

[shave98765]

So that means you make 3 times (or more) what you're actually worth, and then pretend that because you "think" that you are educating kids, as opposed to creating authority worshippers, that you're actually earning your keep.

This is OT, but I really cannot stand the self-righteous nature of those in the public education system that act like they aren't a leech on society, but rather something virtuous. Here's a news flash Mr. Administrator, you and the rest of your ilk are doing a very poor job. I'm within my right to "knock" that, as I'm capable of observation and understanding.

Again, this is OT, but this is the character that you are. When you live day in and day out within a position wherein you do not measure success by success, but rather by how long you can keep the charade going, why else should anyone expect anything different when it comes to an honest opinion regarding Eddie K, TGF or Live. You've been formally trained to ignore truth. You've been paid to teach children the same thing and work within a system that ignores truth. You are a walking embodiment of the concepts of anti-brain, anti-reason and anti-mind. Not that you had any credibility before now, but in case you did linger on to a shred, it should now be considered lost. Who can believe a fucking word you say?

e: I won't regret this post in 5 years. I guarantee it.

This is off-topic...but your statement is just ignorant. You are allowed to disagree with the American public school system. By all means send your children to private schools. But to judge somebody negatively just because they work in the public school system as teachers or administrators is just wrong. There are many people in public schools who have devoted their lives to helping children and creating better lives for them. I am a teacher in a public school, and while I do not always agree with everything that happens in public schools, I personally do my best to help kids. I spend many, many hours volunteering in my free time with after school programs. To say that you have no credibility because you work in our education system is just stupid.

Are there bad people working in our school system? Yes, definitely. But are there many people who do everything within their power to make students' lives better? Yes, definitely. There are many problems with our education system, but there are also a lot of people that work in the education spending countless hours trying to improve the system.

I have never met Nick. I disagree with many of his views, agree with some. But to blast somebody for having a career in education is just dumb. Maybe he is a horrible human being, maybe he isn't...but it is not because he is a school teacher or administrator.

[PurdueSteve]

This is off-topic...but your statement is just ignorant. You are allowed to disagree with the American public school system. By all means send your children to private schools. But to judge somebody negatively just because they work in the public school system as teachers or administrators is just wrong. There are many people in public schools who have devoted their lives to helping children and creating better lives for them. I am a teacher in a public school, and while I do not always agree with everything that happens in public schools, I personally do my best to help kids. I spend many, many hours volunteering in my free time with after school programs. To say that you have no credibility because you work in our education system is just stupid.

Let's see here, there are comments about how people devote, how people do their best, how they volunteer their time, yet no comments regarding whether or not success is actually met.

Could you imagine if the barometer for every industry or sector regarded how people "tried" or "did their best" and not on performance? If you were to need heart surgery would you pick your doctor based upon how hard he "tries" or would you pick him based upon his record of success?

To you my comments seem foreign because your entire professional career rests within one were you'd likely have to molest a kid to get fired and were there isn't a measure a success, but rather how well you play the political game.

That said, my critique against Ned is more or less because he is an administrator. Those positions are typically reserved for those that know how to bullshit their way through the political component of public education and not for the ability to enlighten a child.

You have proven my point for me, you have responded exactly as I described in my previous post.

Are there bad people working in our school system? Yes, definitely. But are there many people who do everything within their power to make students' lives better? Yes, definitely. There are many problems with our education system, but there are also a lot of people that work in the education spending countless hours trying to improve the system.

Again more posturing and unoriginal talking points. I'm honestly not trying to be harsh, it's not my goal. I'm simply trying to point out that your response is essentially empty and fails to address the defacto point. I disgress because I don't have a significant bone with the teachers themselves. They, IMO, are a victim just like the children.

I have never met Nick. I disagree with many of his views, agree with some. But to blast somebody for having a career in education is just dumb. Maybe he is a horrible human being, maybe he isn't...but it is not because he is a school teacher or administrator.

I never made statements claiming that he was a horrible person. I knew that he was a teacher, him being an administrator is new to me. It's relevant because Ned has continuously shown that facts need not get in way of his wishful thinking when it comes down to the whole Ed/TGF issue. In learning that he has a career that rewards him for that very behavior, behavior that ignores truth and promotes spin and false perception, I've realized like I said above, that this is an affliction that goes beyond an irrational Eddie K love affair.

If it's not obvious I have a disdain for public education, and for the most part private education, because the public essentially controls it as well.

Of course I can choose to send my kid wherever, but that won't stop the goons with a badge from showing up at my doorstop with guns demanding that I continue to fund the charade of children prisoneducation system. There's tons of information out there if your interested in reading something that doesn't come from your Union leader, but I doubt you will because you seem quite busy patting yourself on your back for "trying really hard".