"I'm not a christian, but it feels good to be in The Chapel", Ed Kowalczyk Options

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I've just listen again all my bootlegs of Live and right now I'm listen "I Alone" for the concert in the Chapel, date: 2000-03-13.

Just want to share, again, like everyone, how much I miss Ed... If this thread is repetitive, it's because all we are concerned in different ways... Like I said: It's not religions fault, but in a way the people who didn't know what to believe, finds the wrong answer on them.

Want my +Live+ back!!!

[+Ed+]

I did not read the whole thread, I can not take any of this christianity bullshit for pages and pages anymore, sorry guys.

But you know what stroke me? Every second post says that Christianity took our Ed frmo our Liev and made him a greedy bastard that sings Top with a grin.

NO

NO FUCKING WAY

It is not christianity that did it to him!

How can you not see that all this god-water-christ-christianity-kids-etc etc etc bullshit is simply a MASK! This way Ed only wanted to gain new potential listeners from christian rock ... errr... gangs or audiences or whatever you call them. I am sure he can say whatever he wants, on christianity, on finding his way etc etc but in MOST religions in the world SWITCHING religion is the biggest fucking sin, bigger than fucking your neghbour's wife while your kids are playing nearby or bigger than committing a suicide!

Does anyone not see it as a marketing promotion?

Damn, guys, come on!

We can dwell forever on the topic, but please guys leave the baldy alone and stop feeding the trolls =)

[gotigrz]

switching religions is a sin?????... uh..... ok?????

have you ever heard of the prodigal son? http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestor...prodigalson.htm

and, someone said... "we're all atheist.... i just believe in one less god than you".

that makes no sense... a Christian is a monotheist.

and, saying that organized religion is evil and that it causes wars is not entirely true. while, i do agree that wars are started over it... that doesn't necessarily mean the religion, itself, is at fault. the law in america says that you can't use your house as a drug dealership... but, people do... and, when they get busted... there are fights... shootings... killings. now, i ask you... is this the laws fault or the peoples fault? so, just cause people start wars over religion doesn't make the religion at fault... unless of course the religion tells the people to start wars w/ other religions. there is a difference between defending your beliefs and obeying your beliefs. even though, i doubt Jesus ever taught to fight one another for what you believe in.

and, as for the one that said why is your belief any more true than another when you all believe in the invisible... Jesus Christ is not invisible. He walked this earth... there are facts for that. and, if you say there isn't... then show me the facts that christopher columbus walked the earth. you can't.. but, you know it's true. but, back to Jesus. He did walk the earth, and talk to people... and, my belief in Him is not from fairy tales... it's from an eye witness account (John), and Mark, who wrote his book from accounts of peter... who walked with Christ, and Matthew, Luke. http://carm.org/apologetics/evidence-and-a...ritten-and-whom

then some use logic to disprove religion... Christianity, in particular. but, Christianity doesn't use logic to base its reasoning on. it uses faith. Jesus told thomas that "he believed because he has seen, but blessed be the ones who believe but have not seen".

there are many questions about God that no one can answer. many try to come up w/ possible answers to prove or disprove God,... but, reality is, is that we must all make a decision on whether or not to believe what Jesus said to be true. i believe. was i raised to believe? yes. have i ever doubted along the way? yes. was it my parents belief that brought me back Jesus as the answer to my doubts? no.

[Pokey]

and, as for the one that said why is your belief any more true than another when you all believe in the invisible... Jesus Christ is not invisible. He walked this earth... there are facts for that. and, if you say there isn't... then show me the facts that christopher columbus walked the earth. you can't.. but, you know it's true. but, back to Jesus. He did walk the earth, and talk to people... and, my belief in Him is not from fairy tales... it's from an eye witness account (John), and Mark, who wrote his book from accounts of peter... who walked with Christ, and Matthew, Luke. http://carm.org/apologetics/evidence-and-a...ritten-and-whom

And what of all the eye witness accounts from other religions? All the "facts" or facts that they can come up with saying that there's is the true way. The "eye witness accounts" you've already stated there are second hand. John and Mark who are writing on accounts from someone else who claims to have seen these things. It's like Fish said, years later.
Even now in this day and age with all the technology in our hands, people who give eye witness accounts on things they have seen can get it so wrong.
Are you saying there is absolutely no room for error in the accounts on which you base your entire belief on?

Why is it that back then in the times of the bible, it seemed so easy for people to interact with God and now we take these stories and comments as gospal (no pun intended). Where as now, with all our technology and advances in every aspect of life, it seems so difficult for someone to prove an interaction with God?

Back then, God asked Abraham to kill his son to show his love for him. Abraham was prepared to do this until God stopped him. That's all well and good now because it is the word of the Lord and no harm done. If this happened in this day and age and a man was found to almost have murdered his son, but then stopped at the last minute and told everyone that it was God that told him to do this he would still have his child taken away by child protection services. Yet the stories would be identical.
He'd be looked at like a mad man ... if you read that story in the paper would you say "he is a just and righteous man following in the light and love of God" just because he used that as an excuse. How easy for the story of Abraham be a total lie and he used God as an excuse for getting caught trying to murder a child?

My point being, stories are so subjective. And if you believe in Abraham then you should also believe anyone who says anything right now claiming God told them to.

For example, God spoke to me and told me to reply to this comment and sway you from following him. He doesn't really like you all that much. Do you believe me? I can easily insist over and over that it was true that he spoke to me. I don't know why he's chosen me to speak to, and I don't know why he's taken a disliking to you personally, but hey, it's the word of God. I have to follow it. Why would Christians choose to believe one person who says God has spoken to them over another? How many people in the bible may have been bullshitting about stories about interacting with God? If you can honestly say you believe every story in the bible to be true, then you'd surely have to believe almost any story someone tells you now about their interactions with God.