Kevin Martin Calls WZZO today 3-21-2011!, f in good stuff Options

[zmanpga]

http://thegraciousfans.com/forum/showthrea...today-3-21-2011

[deepenoughtodive]

I don't see what the problem is with what he said. Stapp is the reason Creed broke up. Alter Bridge is a million times better than Creed anyway, I'm sure that is tearing Stapp up. I'm not sure that last summer's Creed reunion was a failure or whatever KM said but Tremonti and the rest of those guys never intended for the Creed reunion to be permanent. They did that while Myles spent the summer touring with Slash.

Weiland ruined STP as well. I think KM was just giving an industry perspective. He's seen a LOT of stuff over the years.

I'm still a big fan of Ed's as well as TGF, but even I will admit.......both the STP and Creed stories sound an awful lot like what happened with Live. I think Ed will realize one day how much damage he caused.

[SJN1279]

I'm not sure that last summer's Creed reunion was a failure or whatever KM said but Tremonti and the rest of those guys never intended for the Creed reunion to be permanent. They did that while Myles spent the summer touring with Slash.

I'm not a Creed fan, but I think their reunion tour was relatively successful. Their album debuted #2 on Billboard and they were able to fill a good number of ampitheaters around the country.

Kevin Martin doesn't like it when fans talk trash about The Gracious Few on Facebook or FansofLive, but it is okay for him to talk trash about his peers in the music industry when they aren't there to defend themselves.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I'm not a Creed fan, but I think their reunion tour was relatively successful. Their album debuted #2 on Billboard and they were able to fill a good number of ampitheaters around the country.

Kevin Martin doesn't like it when fans talk trash about The Gracious Few on Facebook or FansofLive, but it is okay for him to talk trash about his peers in the music industry when they aren't there to defend themselves.

What was your consistent line about the Ed/Live situation, wasn't it something like "there are two sides to every story"?

You are hearing what you want to hear. If KM is what you say he is, and Ed is who I (and his former bandmates) say he is, then hands down I would rather support a lead singer who talks a little trash than one who steals money from his band mates.

See what I did there?

[SJN1279]

What was your consistent line about the Ed/Live situation, wasn't it something like "there are two sides to every story"?

You are hearing what you want to hear. If KM is what you say he is, and Ed is who I (and his former bandmates) say he is, then hands down I would rather support a lead singer who talks a little trash than one who steals money from his band mates.

See what I did there?

There are two sides to every story, but Kevin Martin talking trash on public radio about fellow artists is pretty clear cut. If Scott Stapp got on the radio and began talking trash about Kevin Martin, I'm sure certain members of this board would be in an uproar.

Scott Weiland and Scott Stapp aren't perfect, but they both have achieved more success in the music industry than Kevin Martin has. To me, Kevin Martin talking trash about other lead singers screams of insecurity(tearing down someone to feel better about yourself).

[thefunkyredcaboose]

There are two sides to every story, but Kevin Martin talking trash on public radio about fellow artists is pretty clear cut. If Scott Stapp got on the radio and began talking trash about Kevin Martin, I'm sure certain members of this board would be in an uproar.

Scott Weiland and Scott Stapp aren't perfect, but they both have achieved more success in the music industry than Kevin Martin has. To me, Kevin Martin talking trash about other lead singers screams of insecurity(tearing down someone to feel better about yourself).

I happen to think that the word of 3 individuals, a court document, and the ultimate dissolving of the band Live is pretty clear cut evidence against the bald one. I imagine that you don't agree, right?

Same way with this supposed "trash talking." It isn't as clear cut as you want it to be.

But, kudos for at least not ignoring the post, even if you failed to comprehend it's meaning. And before you keep arguing, I don't even care if he was trash talking. I'm just pointing out your hypocritical double standard.

[Bremang]

I happen to think that the word of 3 individuals, a court document, and the ultimate dissolving of the band Live is pretty clear cut evidence against the bald one. I imagine that you don't agree, right?

its a big start but not sufficient to point the finger. There's still a little thing called discovery, and then of course potentially a trial. who knows, maybe this summer we'll get some conviction.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

its a big start but not sufficient to point the finger. There's still a little thing called discovery, and then of course potentially a trial. who knows, maybe this summer we'll get some conviction.

I'm not trying to get into that discussion, did you read the whole conversation? It isn't enough for a conviction, no, but it is enough for me to draw a conclusion, just like Nick has already drawn a conclusion about Kevin Martin. That was the point of what I was saying.