Does Kowalczyk have an opinion on TGF? Options

[live2cd]

Has he been asked in interviews what he thinks of the record? This all reminds me of 1994 when Mötley Crüe went in a completely different direction with a new singer (altho they kept their name - bad move, IMO) and Vince was asked this all the time and vice versa. The ironic thing was that the 1994 Mötley Crüe record was one of their best. Of course, it didnt sell so they brought Vince back, but thats another thread for a different day.....

Im just waiting for an interview like this..

"So, Ed, what do you think about The Gracious Few? Have you listened to the album?"

This post has been edited by live2cd: Dec 3 2010, 10:43 am

[makemedream]

wow you guys have got some fucked up views of the world....damn when is any issue black and white? never.....the only person who is ever right about everything is my wife

[PurdueSteve]

wow you guys have got some fucked up views of the world....damn when is any issue black and white? never.....the only person who is ever right about everything is my wife

Everything is always black and white.

The belief, despite Ed's lyrics to the "beauty of grey", that things are OK, should and are grey is nothing more than philosophical nonsense.

To hold value in objective or moral greyness is to value the art of compromising with that in which you know to be wrong. If white is good and black is wrong, if you accept grey you're accepting some value of black. You cannot accept some portion of what you know to be wrong. At least you can't while being a rationale human being.

Things are black and white and those with convictions and the balls to realize that are those with a clear head.

[Sakhmet2]

Everything is always black and white.

The belief, despite Ed's lyrics to the "beauty of grey", that things are OK, should and are grey is nothing more than philosophical nonsense.

To hold value in objective or moral greyness is to value the art of compromising with that in which you know to be wrong. If white is good and black is wrong, if you accept grey you're accepting some value of black. You cannot accept some portion of what you know to be wrong. At least you can't while being a rationale human being.

Things are black and white and those with convictions and the balls to realize that are those with a clear head.

And thus started many of the world's most vicious and prolonged conflicts.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Dec 28 2010, 9:17 am

[PurdueSteve]

And thus started many of the world's most vicious and prolonged conflicts.

I disagree. In fact, the world's most vicious and prolonged conflicts seem to stem by the individuals (in power) that believe they can accept some of the black so long as it's for what they feel is the "greater good". This level of compromise with black leads to many deaths, wars and so on.

Hey, the wars in the middle east, for example, aren't a black and white issue. I mean, so what if the civilian casualties and "collateral damage" exceed the deaths of armed combatants. Nothing is black and white and everything is grey. So long as we (our leaders) cower behind that sort of justification it doesn't matter how many kids over the die right? C'mon, I want to hear you say it. It's ok that an Afghani 8 year old dies by American guns because nothing is black and white. I'd argue that it is.

Then there's the whole soviet russia thing.

I could go on and on.

If you reject any impurities of black, in your diet of white, there is no grey and thus you never accept any compromise and wrong-doing. Not that humans are perfect. To make mistakes is one thing. To do wrong and to justify wrong-doing by hiding behind the "Things aren't black and white" excuse is philosophical and moral bankruptcy.

I know it's a tough thing to admit.

[Sakhmet2]

Hey, the wars in the middle east, for example, aren't a black and white issue. I mean, so what if the civilian casualties and "collateral damage" exceed the deaths of armed combatants. Nothing is black and white and everything is grey. So long as we (our leaders) cower behind that sort of justification it doesn't matter how many kids over the die right? C'mon, I want to hear you say it. It's ok that an Afghani 8 year old dies by American guns because nothing is black and white. I'd argue that it is.

I originally said in my first reply that some things are black and white, this kind of thing being one of them, but edited it out.

I think this example doesn't belong in this argument, because all moral human beings acknowledge a code of good and evil.

Saying that there are shades of grey actually means something different. At least to me. To me it means that there are degrees of evil/wrong.

This post has been edited by Sakhmet2: Dec 28 2010, 11:00 am

[EF341SC]

I originally said in my first reply that some things are black and white, this kind of thing being one of them, but edited it out.

I think this example doesn't belong in this argument, because all moral human beings acknowledge a code of good and evil.

Saying that there are shades of grey actually means something different. At least to me. To me it means that there are degrees of evil/wrong.

Just my thaughts but if good played evil in a football game wouldant the grey area be the field on wich they play?
Just a thaught on trying to appreciate the beauty of grey hehehehe