Upcoming shows professionally recorded! Options

[Pokey]

Looks like TGF are going to be having their next set of shows professionally recorded and available for purchase according to facebook:

The Gracious Few
Surprise announcement! We are exited to let you know that TGF will be recorded on each stop of the band's upcoming tour leg, starting in Seattle and ending in Ventura , by Abbey Road Live. These are high quality, limited edition double-disc sets. Best of all, if you go to the show, you can pick up your CD set as you leave, encore and all! And if you are not going, you can still have it shipped home to you. Since these are so limited, we are offering these for pre-sale at www.abbeyroadliveus.com. Jump over and your copy today, as it is sure to become a collector's item!

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I still have no doubts my message will remain ignored in this thread.

[FishOutaWater]

I still have no doubts my message will remain ignored in this thread.

Ok, I will answer it. They are selling the cd through Abbey Road and one needs a credit card in order to purchase a copy of the cd. If you do not have a credit card, maybe you just can't buy one. You aren't entitled to one of these cd's. They are selling them on that website to people who can pay with a credit card. Or erhaps you can give someone with a credit card some cash to buy you one with their credit card.

Intellectual property seems pretty straight forward to me. Companies spend millions of dollars protecting their intellectual property, litigating over infringment and protecting it from being stolen. Chad, Chad and Patrick hired lawyers to sue Ed because he sold performances of Live music without paying them royalties. Chad, Chad, Pat and Ed formed Black Coffee as a company to own the publishing rights to their intellectual property. When a cd is sold, they get paid.

Read this. It is a pretty serious read. If you aren;t concerned with violating the law after you read this, then go ahead at your own risk:

RIAA page

Here are some highlights:

Copyright law protects the value of creative work
When you make illegal copies of someone’s creative work, you are stealing and breaking the law.

If you make unauthorized copies of copyrighted music recordings, you’re stealing. You’re breaking the law, and you could be held legally liable for thousands of dollars in damages.

That’s pretty important information to have, considering how serious it would be if you were caught and prosecuted by the authorities or sued in civil court. It’s even more important that you understand that when you illicitly make or distribute recordings, you are taking something of value from the owner without his or her permission.

Examples of easy ways you could violate the law:

Somebody you don’t even know e-mails you a copy of a copyrighted song and then you turn around and e-mail copies to all of your friends.

You make an MP3 copy of a song because the CD you bought expressly permits you to do so. But then you put your MP3 copy on the Internet, using a file-sharing network, so that millions of other people can download it.

Even if you don’t illegally offer recordings to others, you join a file-sharing network and download unauthorized copies of all the copyrighted music you want for free from the computers of other network members.

In order to gain access to copyrighted music on the computers of other network members, you pay a fee to join a file-sharing network that isn’t authorized to distribute or make copies of copyrighted music. Then you download unauthorized copies of all the music you want.
You transfer copyrighted music using an instant messenging service.

You have a computer with a CD burner, which you use to burn copies of music you have downloaded onto writable CDs for all of your friends.

On the subject of intellectual property, we wouldn't have any of the innovations like the iPhone, or the software that plays music or videos, or Blue Ray players, or statin drugs or contact lens solutions if there wasn't intellectual property. People invent these things, patent and copyright them and then license them or use them for a profit. If someone invents a technology and then anyone else can just take it and use it, no one would have an incentive to invent these new technologies.

[PurdueSteve]

Here are some highlights:

On the subject of intellectual property, we wouldn't have any of the innovations like the iPhone, or the software that plays music or videos, or Blue Ray players, or statin drugs or contact lens solutions if there wasn't intellectual property. People invent these things, patent and copyright them and then license them or use them for a profit. If someone invents a technology and then anyone else can just take it and use it, no one would have an incentive to invent these new technologies.

Quoting or referring to that as source for the moral validity and justification would be the equivalent of referring to George Bush on the morality and validity of our current foreign international policy. It's begging the question and is also nothing more than morally bankrupt consequentialism.

What I'm guessing you won't find in that link are the cases where companies, who haven't developed anything, who haven't created anything, rush to the patent office or file for a copyright/trademark on anything and everything so that when a legitimate manufacturer like Apple creates a product they can probe for any remote similarity to their "patent" and effectively tie Apple up in litigation or out of court settlements which just means the cost is passed down to the consumer.

At the end of the day, it comes down to those that purchase the content. By purchasing it they agree to the terms. If they share it, upload it, distribute it then they are the ones who have violated an agreement. By no standard of contract law can you, or anyone out there, say that I've agreed to the terms of an album purchase I've yet to actually purchase.

Look at it from another angle. As an electrical engineer (one who is Pro-IP but not in the form that it is exercised in this country) I program, develop schematics and do general design that costs my clients hundreds of thousands per year. I'm certain that my employer has worked out the legal stuff that states our clients are purchasing the rights to our developed work for use in their facilities and that they in turn cannot turn around and resale it. Let's say, for example, that a client misplaced a USB stick or emailed and BCC'd a copy of my program and schematics by accident. Would I (or my employer) have the moral right to pursue someone else who comes across information (who didn't "steal" it) and use it for their gain? No. I (or my employer) would have legal grounds to go after my client who released (even if negligently) our intellectual property.

What if this was the dark ages, could someone have the intellectual property to fire? Building shelter? Cooking raw meat?

If you read a poem on your neighbors wall, and liked it, could you not verbally recite it to your friends and family? You would technically be infringing on someone else's intellectual property. To enjoy that poem you should pay the author his or her asking price. After all, they didn't agree to let you see it, but rather the purchaser of the art.

Intellectual Property isn't as cut and dry as you're making it out to be. At the end of day I agree people need to have some protections for their work, but in a proper world, a proper society, those protections would come in the form of agreements and punishments would be doled out to those that break those agreements. If you haven't purchased something from someone than obviously you haven't agreed to their terms of the sale.