LIVEROCKS REVIEW, the one that matters... Options

[LiveRoCkS77]

Appetite...

The songs speaks for itself. The vocals are fantastic and the vibe is definately zeppelin. A good song in my opinion that just doesn't explode like it has the potential to. Still a very good effort though

7/10

Honest Man...

Getting better, much better. This song is just about the perfect rocker from top to bottom. The solo by CT at the end fits the song perfectly and Km's vocals are again as utterly fantastic as they can get.

8/10

Guilty Fever...

Love the main riff to this song. Got that zeppelin vibe to it again for sure. The vocals on this track are way to high for my liking but still not horrible. I think a low point on this album forom a vocal standpoint.

7/10

The few......

Love the opening riff layered underneath the bass. Liking the vocals on this tune again most definately. But overall, there seems some abruptness in this song that disrupts the songs flow. Still a very good effort and not filler by any means.

8/10

The Rest of You....

Not really digging the vibe of this tune for some reason. The chorus of this song reminds of something I can't put my hands on, although I'm sure I don't like whatever it is. Definately one of few low points of this album for me.

6/10

Crying Time....

Definately loving the vibe of this song. The vocals are more in the range where they belong, especially in fitting this song. The song is very well written and well executed....I think it will bring out a lot of emotion in the people who can relate to it. I definately dig this song although I'm not too sure why.

8.5/10

Silly Thing...

Another low point for me. Listen to the open to this song and you pretty much expect hear Ed start singing. Thi song sounds like it could've been off LIVE's next record had they continued on with ED. There's nothing that I can pin point as being redeeming about this song, nothing

4.5/10

Closer....

Holy fucking jesus, here we goooooooo! The opening vocal is fucking haunting, well executed. EXPLOSION, enter the talent of Chad Gracey and the entire band on full fucking display. Pat's bassline in this song is fucking utterly sick. Hard to hear through the guitar crashing over top but find it in the verses and listen that variation and thud. The vocals are fuckin' perfect and make you wanna crowd surf. Adrenaline to the max, "CLOSER TO ME!!! CLOSER TO ME!" Holy shit the goosbumps when he starts screaming that shit. The guitar and rum work at the end is all over the place and mind blowing. Fantastic effort.

10/10

What's wrong.....

Hugely underrated this song is. Definately got some sort of Beatles feel to it straight off, but morphs into a more bluesy type of ballad. The vocals in this song again adjust perfectly. "Are we so broken and bruised we can't feel the love...." flowing into a slightly faster flowing chorus where Kevins voice goes up a few octaves and screams "what's wrong?" Followed by an EVEN harder version of the chorus where he almost sounds like he's crying. This song is utterly fantastic and perfectly executed. A gem on this album for sure.

9.5/10

Tredecim.....

Darkness finally. Keving sounds like that guy from Placebo here. You can definately feel the Tool influence here. From that big opening guitar riff that falls to the lowness of Kevin's "ohhhh", followed by the layered vocals is just fucking perfect. "Relentless and rife, splendor, ENCORE!!!!" followed by that layered chorus again. Close your eyes and listen to this song and it carries you, it reverbs right down inside of you..."your beaches are littered with deat and debris....I said I could change." Followed by that little solo, dropping back into that low brooding riff. WOW, perfectly executed.

10/10

Nothing But Love....

Is the groove at the beginning of this song the fucking shit or what? This song, although verry good in itself is just missing something in my opinion. Gracey's drumming and Pat's bass are on full display here...great vocals, good execution. I dunno, I just find it a bit boring for some reason. The little solo near the end has a Pink Floyd feel to it most definately. Maybe this song needs to grow on me some more. Pat's bass licks are wicked and the song itself seems technically perfect.

9/10

Sing....

I'm sooooooo in love with this song. This song hits me harder than anything I've EVER heard in my entire life. Although in a different way, I can resonate with the being tired of shit theme, at least that's what I get from it. Although from the lyrics, there seems to be something at the end of the rainbow that makes him happy....singing his song I guess! HEH. I made a thread about this song and it's beauty. The references to the lyrics I made are just so stunning to me. Makes me feel like bleeding and crying inside at the same time. The emotion and buildup in the guitars after these lyrical points of reference fit perfectly with the emotion of this song. The most beautiful song I've heard in a god awful long time. "I wanna feel life, wanna feel life, wanna feel life, wanna sing my song, waited soooooooo long" followed by more beautiful Slash like(November Rain) guitar solo. Utterly beautiful. Hand down the most striking song on this album.

10/10

All I hear.....

Again, reminds of something that might have fit BOP right off. But it does reddem with some decent structure and bass work. Not a bad song, just very abrupt at points in my opinion. Not really my cup of tea.

7/10


Overall:

What a debut effort. The structure and the vocals on this album are extremely well put together and executed. I am a rocker at heart, but for some reason, the songs that hit me hardest on this album are What's wrong and most definately Sing. Closer, Honest Man and Tredecim are all heavy hitters that make this album a powerhouse by themselves. Add in songs like Nothing but love and The Few and you've got an album with momentum. Add in the ballads that are almost perfect on this album and you've got almost no room for filler. I love it and think it was very well done. I'm proud to tell people that i love this music.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I'm sorry that my position offended you. You are right in that I should have phrased my initial post in a more opinionated matter, and I apologize for that. I will stand by the other things I said, because they are my opinion on why Sing doesn't strike me as a special track and I gave a lot of valid reasons for that.

For what it's worth and not that it will convince you otherwise, but I wasn't trying to back out of the debate. Sorry if it came off that way. I thought the issue had been discussed as far as it would go, and that we both made all the points we were going to make.

I also readily acknowledged that we seem to have different ideas about what is important in song structure. I don't think your views are narrow, so why do you have to accuse me of that? I was having fun debating with you until you decided to take a swipe at my views on music. I think it was unnecessary and uncalled for, and made things heated when they didn't have to be.

In my honest opinion none of the song structures on this album really get my attention. They rarely (and then barely) deviate from a standard structure, but that isn't what I listen to this album for. If I want an interesting song structure I will listen to classical, jazz, or prog. rock. I listen to TGF to rock the fuck out and not have to think about it, not to pick apart the musicality of each song. I think it would be silly to debate that because it is my opinion, but a song really needs time changes, key changes, and multiple movements to really impress me with its structure.

That is just my taste and it isn't what TGF wants to do. So, honestly, entering into this debate in the first place was a mistake, and I apologize again.

This post has been edited by thefunkyredcaboose: Sep 16 2010, 10:21 pm

[LiveRoCkS77]

I'm sorry that my position offended you. You are right in that I should have phrased my initial post in a more opinionated matter, and I apologize for that. I will stand by the other things I said, because they are my opinion on why Sing doesn't strike me as a special track and I gave a lot of valid reasons for that.

For what it's worth and not that it will convince you otherwise, but I wasn't trying to back out of the debate. Sorry if it came off that way. I thought the issue had been discussed as far as it would go, and that we both made all the points we were going to make.

I also readily acknowledged that we seem to have different ideas about what is important in song structure. I don't think your views are narrow, so why do you have to accuse me of that? I was having fun debating with you until you decided to take a swipe at my views on music. I think it was unnecessary and uncalled for, and made things heated when they didn't have to be.

In my honest opinion none of the song structures on this album really get my attention. They rarely (and then barely) deviate from a standard structure, but that isn't what I listen to this album for. If I want an interesting song structure I will listen to classical, jazz, or prog. rock. I listen to TGF to rock the fuck out and not have to think about it, not to pick apart the musicality of each song. I think it would be silly to debate that because it is my opinion, but a song really needs time changes, key changes, and multiple movements to really impress me with its structure.

That is just my taste and it isn't what TGF wants to do. So, honestly, entering into this debate in the first place was a mistake, and I apologize again.

None of them strike me as amazing or nothing I've never heard neither, but that wasn't really the point I was trying to make. I was referring to this album only and not comparing it to anything else period.

Either way, no need to apologize. I call it like I see it and people aren't used to that.

But again, you mention chord progression in your initial argument and nothing else. That's narrow minded in the nature of the compsotion of a songs structure. Just now, do you actually start to make sense and mention things such as time changes and movement. That's why I said your initial assertion was narrown minded, and by all definitions, it was exactly that.

Again, I'm not making anything heated, I just call it like i see it and don't waste any time pussy footing around like most idiots are famous for. Saying it's uncalled for is just fucking childish. If I think something you're saying is vague, unfounded or narrow minded, I'm going to tell you so.

So I'll tell you yet again, simply stating that chord pregression is mostly responsible for the structure of a song is asinine and it is. That's not my opinion, it fact. You mentioned one of about 10 to 12 things that comprise the structure of a song and based the merit of your argument on that.

After saying I took a swipe at you, you now mention things such as movement, time change...etc?? Come on dude, now your backpedalling and justifying at the same time and I don't even think you realize you're doing it.

[Infrequent Poster]

I call it like I see it and people aren't used to that.

Quotation snipe of the day.

The vast, vast majority of the people I interact with on a daily basis call it like they see it. I'm not bullshitting either. You're mashing "calling it like I see it" with "abrasive." There's a difference. Not that I particularly disagree with any other points you've made though.

[LiveRoCkS77]

Quotation snipe of the day.

The vast, vast majority of the people I interact with on a daily basis call it like they see it. I'm not bullshitting either. You're mashing "calling it like I see it" with "abrasive." There's a difference. Not that I particularly disagree with any other points you've made though.

I hear you 100% bud and appreciate your input. But often times, I am quite abrasive when I'm making a point to someone. So the difference is really part of the equation if you know what I mean?

I get even worse when I need to repeat myself to someone who is bent on justification. I tell my kids all the time to stop making excuses and accept responsibility for their own shortcomings. To admit when they are wrong and be proud of being able to do just that.

I respect the opinions being offered over the past few post here. But they weren't the same ones at all offered earlier on. All i expect from any grown man is a simple, sorry, should have explained myself further and that would have been it.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I respect the opinions being offered over the past few post here. But they weren't the same ones at all offered earlier on. All i expect from any grown man is a simple, sorry, should have explained myself further and that would have been it.

That is what I have been trying to say in my posts, but I feel like you refuse to hear it. I should have explained myself further initially, and I have no problem admitting that.

Along the way I've been discussing the music because I enjoy discussing music. It has been a long time since you've done that on this thread. I'd like to get us back on track with that, if that's alright with you.

Since you designate 8 to 12 parts of a song being important to the structure of a song, what in those 8 to 12 things is really impressive to you about Sing?

[LiveRoCkS77]

That is what I have been trying to say in my posts, but I feel like you refuse to hear it. I should have explained myself further initially, and I have no problem admitting that.

Along the way I've been discussing the music because I enjoy discussing music. It has been a long time since you've done that on this thread. I'd like to get us back on track with that, if that's alright with you.

Since you designate 8 to 12 parts of a song being important to the structure of a song, what in those 8 to 12 things is really impressive to you about Sing?

Glad we got past that. I'll post more tomorrow as I'm pretty damn tired from work.

But I will say one thing. I don't think that the structure of any song on this album is particularly impressive. I just like the way sing was executed and think that structurally, it's better than any song on this album.