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post Aug 20 2010, 11:33 pm
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Anyone else think this whole debate is as asinine as I do? It isn't at Ground Zero and it isn't a Mosque.

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post Aug 23 2010, 6:48 am
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I read about this a few months back. Can I just ask quickly if the Mosque being built at ground zero, or not? What is the factual info about the site and where it is etc?

Edit: Just read that it is 2 blocks away from Ground Zero. Anyone can confirm this? http://abcnews.go.com/WN/president-obama-s...ory?id=11401964

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post Aug 23 2010, 7:30 am
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QUOTE(sh4rpz @ Aug 23 2010, 7:48 am) *

I read about this a few months back. Can I just ask quickly if the Mosque being built at ground zero, or not? What is the factual info about the site and where it is etc?

Edit: Just read that it is 2 blocks away from Ground Zero. Anyone can confirm this? http://abcnews.go.com/WN/president-obama-s...ory?id=11401964


That's about right. Though in terms of city blocks, two of them are nothing, especially when you consider how much square footage each of the Twin Towers took up. Also, the building in question was damaged in the 9/11 attacks as well. So to many, yes, it is considered part of Ground Zero.

Here's my view on this whole thing. Do they have a legal right to build the thing? Yes, they do. But if there were a single shred of truth to their claims of wanting to build bridges with the non-Muslim community, they would have listened to the outcry and moved the location. All they are doing now is ripping open a wound that is not close to healed and pouring salt and vinegar on it.

Maybe people would feel differently if the city wasn't so damn far behind on rebuilding the area, including having the memorials built. But as it stands right now, there's going to be a 15 story mosque (along with other amenities) that will overlook the giant hole where the towers once stood.

I worked just across the river from the towers, a scant 5 miles as the crow flies. I watched them burn and could smell the smoke for some time afterward when the winds were right. So yeah, people who casually dismiss this piss me the fuck off.

I still remember the helpless feeling of trying to contact everyone I knew who could possibly be in the area, dealing with overloaded cell phone systems, scouring news reports. Trying to find some way to help. Not even being able to give blood because they just couldn't accommodate any more donors.

So, I ask that you tread carefully here folks.


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QUOTE(ItchyTriggerFinger @ Aug 23 2010, 7:30 am) *

That's about right. Though in terms of city blocks, two of them are nothing, especially when you consider how much square footage each of the Twin Towers took up. Also, the building in question was damaged in the 9/11 attacks as well. So to many, yes, it is considered part of Ground Zero.

Here's my view on this whole thing. Do they have a legal right to build the thing? Yes, they do. But if there were a single shred of truth to their claims of wanting to build bridges with the non-Muslim community, they would have listened to the outcry and moved the location. All they are doing now is ripping open a wound that is not close to healed and pouring salt and vinegar on it.


I agree with you on this. I too still feel the same way.

I understand what the Muslim community is trying to do, I just think that in doing so, no matter how sincere their efforts might be, it does not distance itself away from the fact that many people will not see the idea as a tasteful way of trying to 'mend bridges'.

I'm torn here, as I think there is much good the Muslim community can bring in a positive way - but there are also many negatives. I secretly hope that the plans are scrapped, and an alternate site be found. The proximity to Ground Zero of such a building is hardly appropriate.

Edit: I think there is much good the Muslim community can bring in a positive way - but there are also many negatives.

By this, I don't mean that they will bring negative things! I meant that building this 'centre' or place of worship on such a site, comes with its own negatives. Just clearing that up! heh!

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thefunkyredcaboose   "Ground Zero Mosque"   Aug 20 2010, 11:33 pm
Wambangalang   yeh this particular issue is pretty silly. Howeve...   Aug 21 2010, 1:10 am
Badman   However i think americans (and the rest of the ...   Aug 22 2010, 6:02 pm
Sakhmet2   Wait, Christianity or Islam? Knowing Hitchens, h...   Aug 22 2010, 8:15 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Knowing Hitchens, he means both - and Judaism too...   Aug 22 2010, 8:34 pm
Sakhmet2   I'm not so sure that religion is as much to b...   Aug 22 2010, 9:04 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   It depends on what you mean by outrageous. My las...   Aug 22 2010, 10:54 pm
Badman   Hitchens point is that one line of text in one b...   Aug 22 2010, 11:29 pm
+Ed+   Whats up with it? NEver heard anything   Aug 21 2010, 4:11 am
VoodooLady   it is both asinine and fucking shameful.. Americ...   Aug 21 2010, 9:51 am
Hoodstock   I've got no problem with it. Terrorists blew ...   Aug 21 2010, 10:12 pm
Nobody Knows   Hoodie is right. Is this Dutch politician still go...   Aug 22 2010, 5:20 am
GraciousLivEddieK?   There are definitely far too many bigots who are i...   Aug 22 2010, 4:47 pm
Sakhmet2   The reason being this is not a first amendment is...   Aug 22 2010, 5:31 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   There are definitely far too many bigots who are ...   Aug 22 2010, 8:28 pm
Wambangalang   i think religion should be dismissed entirely. I t...   Aug 22 2010, 11:27 pm
Sakhmet2   If there is a higher power it doesnt care if you...   Aug 23 2010, 6:09 am
Sakhmet2   I read about this a few months back. Can I just a...   Aug 23 2010, 7:19 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   1. as said above, it's not a "mosque...   Aug 23 2010, 7:31 am
Sakhmet2   Last I checked, there is also a mosque at the loc...   Aug 23 2010, 7:46 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   It kind of does. Just like a prayer room in a Y...   Aug 23 2010, 7:52 am
thefunkyredcaboose   At the same time, no one goes around calling the ...   Aug 23 2010, 8:44 am
Sakhmet2   Westerners, stop being "useful idiots"....   Aug 23 2010, 10:08 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   Yes, but that doesn't give the media the free...   Aug 23 2010, 12:24 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I would point out that proponents of the project,...   Aug 23 2010, 1:06 pm
ItchyTriggerFinger   Anyone calling it a mosque is inaccurate, no matt...   Aug 23 2010, 9:31 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Did you miss the link to the actual Park51 site w...   Aug 23 2010, 10:12 pm
ItchyTriggerFinger   The point is that the structure isn't just a ...   Aug 24 2010, 1:05 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I would ask whether you've seen the news repo...   Aug 24 2010, 8:15 am
sh4rpz   I think that bolded statement is what is most tru...   Aug 25 2010, 5:07 am
Sakhmet2   In the end, I have respect for the people who wer...   Aug 25 2010, 9:16 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   In the end, I have respect for the people who wer...   Aug 25 2010, 11:54 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   Yes, but that doesn't give the media the free...   Aug 23 2010, 12:32 pm
Sakhmet2   That's about right. Though in terms of city ...   Aug 23 2010, 7:39 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   I am not casually dismissing this at all. I thin...   Aug 23 2010, 7:49 am
Sakhmet2   Whose political purposes? It sure as heck isn...   Aug 23 2010, 8:04 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   As Pat Buchanan said, the political opportunism o...   Aug 23 2010, 8:18 am
Sakhmet2   Pat Buchanan is a religious extremist himself. D...   Aug 23 2010, 8:27 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   Just because a pot calls a kettle black doesn...   Aug 23 2010, 8:40 am
sh4rpz   Thanks for the info Sakhmet2. I come from an Isl...   Aug 23 2010, 7:36 am
GraciousLivEddieK?   Hey. How 'bout this: http://www.youtube.com/w...   Aug 23 2010, 8:06 am
Sakhmet2   Hey. How 'bout this: http://www.youtube.com/...   Aug 23 2010, 8:10 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I maintain that there is no way to oppose this wit...   Aug 23 2010, 8:41 am
sh4rpz   I maintain that there is no way to oppose this wi...   Aug 23 2010, 9:51 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   I maintain that there is no way to oppose this wi...   Aug 23 2010, 12:12 pm
sh4rpz   And I've already said they have every legal r...   Aug 24 2010, 1:36 am
GraciousLivEddieK?   Westerners, stop being "useful idiots". ...   Aug 23 2010, 9:28 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Westerners, stop being "useful idiots"....   Aug 23 2010, 9:48 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Well, we solved this one I'll say. Cheers to ...   Aug 25 2010, 3:32 pm


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