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Anyone else think this whole debate is as asinine as I do? It isn't at Ground Zero and it isn't a Mosque.

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post Aug 22 2010, 4:47 pm
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There are definitely far too many bigots who are indeed anti-Muslim, but polls reflect how most Americans support the LEGAL right for them to build, yet don't want it built anyway. The reason being this is not a first amendment issue, but rather one of common sense and sensitivity.
Some liberals try to make this a religious freedom issue, not so subtly implying the opponent are bigots. It's dishonest and meant to stifle debate.
Would you say those families of 9/11 victims are hateful bigots too?

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There are definitely far too many bigots who are indeed anti-Muslim, but polls reflect how most Americans support the LEGAL right for them to build, yet don't want it built anyway. The reason being this is not a first amendment issue, but rather one of common sense and sensitivity.
Some liberals try to make this a religious freedom issue, not so subtly implying the opponent are bigots. It's dishonest and meant to stifle debate.
Would you say those families of 9/11 victims are hateful bigots too?

This is pretty ok:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reX7vGb-ToA


What about the families of the Muslims who were killed in the 9/11 attacks?

"Common sense" and "sensitivity" are not arguments, they are relative statements.

And what Sakhmet2 said. You won't even be able to see the damn building from Ground Zero anyway so why all the fuss? So that said, tell me why they shouldn't build a community center there, I'd love to know. I haven't heard an argument yet that doesn't imply that Islam is to blame and not the men at the center of the attacks.

BTW, if youtube is your key source of knowledge about Islam you are really missing the boat. Do you know any people who hold Muslim beliefs? Many people seem to miss that there is more than one version of Islam (just like with any religion) and label them all as radical fundamentalists. Its a common misconception of nearly all religions.

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thefunkyredcaboose   "Ground Zero Mosque"   Aug 20 2010, 11:33 pm
Wambangalang   yeh this particular issue is pretty silly. Howeve...   Aug 21 2010, 1:10 am
Badman   However i think americans (and the rest of the ...   Aug 22 2010, 6:02 pm
Sakhmet2   Wait, Christianity or Islam? Knowing Hitchens, h...   Aug 22 2010, 8:15 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Knowing Hitchens, he means both - and Judaism too...   Aug 22 2010, 8:34 pm
Sakhmet2   I'm not so sure that religion is as much to b...   Aug 22 2010, 9:04 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   It depends on what you mean by outrageous. My las...   Aug 22 2010, 10:54 pm
Badman   Hitchens point is that one line of text in one b...   Aug 22 2010, 11:29 pm
+Ed+   Whats up with it? NEver heard anything   Aug 21 2010, 4:11 am
VoodooLady   it is both asinine and fucking shameful.. Americ...   Aug 21 2010, 9:51 am
Hoodstock   I've got no problem with it. Terrorists blew ...   Aug 21 2010, 10:12 pm
Nobody Knows   Hoodie is right. Is this Dutch politician still go...   Aug 22 2010, 5:20 am
Sakhmet2   The reason being this is not a first amendment is...   Aug 22 2010, 5:31 pm
Wambangalang   i think religion should be dismissed entirely. I t...   Aug 22 2010, 11:27 pm
Sakhmet2   If there is a higher power it doesnt care if you...   Aug 23 2010, 6:09 am
sh4rpz   I read about this a few months back. Can I just as...   Aug 23 2010, 6:48 am
Sakhmet2   I read about this a few months back. Can I just a...   Aug 23 2010, 7:19 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   1. as said above, it's not a "mosque...   Aug 23 2010, 7:31 am
Sakhmet2   Last I checked, there is also a mosque at the loc...   Aug 23 2010, 7:46 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   It kind of does. Just like a prayer room in a Y...   Aug 23 2010, 7:52 am
thefunkyredcaboose   At the same time, no one goes around calling the ...   Aug 23 2010, 8:44 am
Sakhmet2   Westerners, stop being "useful idiots"....   Aug 23 2010, 10:08 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   Yes, but that doesn't give the media the free...   Aug 23 2010, 12:24 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I would point out that proponents of the project,...   Aug 23 2010, 1:06 pm
ItchyTriggerFinger   Anyone calling it a mosque is inaccurate, no matt...   Aug 23 2010, 9:31 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Did you miss the link to the actual Park51 site w...   Aug 23 2010, 10:12 pm
ItchyTriggerFinger   The point is that the structure isn't just a ...   Aug 24 2010, 1:05 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I would ask whether you've seen the news repo...   Aug 24 2010, 8:15 am
sh4rpz   I think that bolded statement is what is most tru...   Aug 25 2010, 5:07 am
Sakhmet2   In the end, I have respect for the people who wer...   Aug 25 2010, 9:16 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   In the end, I have respect for the people who wer...   Aug 25 2010, 11:54 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   Yes, but that doesn't give the media the free...   Aug 23 2010, 12:32 pm
ItchyTriggerFinger   I read about this a few months back. Can I just a...   Aug 23 2010, 7:30 am
Sakhmet2   That's about right. Though in terms of city ...   Aug 23 2010, 7:39 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   I am not casually dismissing this at all. I thin...   Aug 23 2010, 7:49 am
Sakhmet2   Whose political purposes? It sure as heck isn...   Aug 23 2010, 8:04 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   As Pat Buchanan said, the political opportunism o...   Aug 23 2010, 8:18 am
Sakhmet2   Pat Buchanan is a religious extremist himself. D...   Aug 23 2010, 8:27 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   Just because a pot calls a kettle black doesn...   Aug 23 2010, 8:40 am
sh4rpz   That's about right. Though in terms of city ...   Aug 23 2010, 7:45 am
sh4rpz   Thanks for the info Sakhmet2. I come from an Isl...   Aug 23 2010, 7:36 am
GraciousLivEddieK?   Hey. How 'bout this: http://www.youtube.com/w...   Aug 23 2010, 8:06 am
Sakhmet2   Hey. How 'bout this: http://www.youtube.com/...   Aug 23 2010, 8:10 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I maintain that there is no way to oppose this wit...   Aug 23 2010, 8:41 am
sh4rpz   I maintain that there is no way to oppose this wi...   Aug 23 2010, 9:51 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   I maintain that there is no way to oppose this wi...   Aug 23 2010, 12:12 pm
sh4rpz   And I've already said they have every legal r...   Aug 24 2010, 1:36 am
GraciousLivEddieK?   Westerners, stop being "useful idiots". ...   Aug 23 2010, 9:28 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Westerners, stop being "useful idiots"....   Aug 23 2010, 9:48 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Well, we solved this one I'll say. Cheers to ...   Aug 25 2010, 3:32 pm


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