Thoughts on "Honest Man" and "Believe", One Song - Two Versions Options

[Hoodstock]

You guys do realize that music from "Honest Man" by TGF comes from the song "Believe" by Live.

Just give it a listen:

Honest Man: http://new.music.yahoo.com/videos/gracious...-man--218696430

Believe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZqT0stibWs

New lyrics - same base song . Ed had his chance with it and then Kevin (or the band) redid the song.

I wish I had a studio version of Believe to directly compare the two vocal performances. I prefer the lyrics of Honest Man but I would have loved to hear this as a Live song.

This post has been edited by Hoodstock: Aug 3 2010, 7:54 am

[+Ed+]

Holy fuck, the melody in this one is so much different from Honest Man. And it is not that bad at all. If only it has not been for the text.

I want my Live back.

[PurdueSteve]

I'm glad you made the thread Hoodie. I never really listened to "Believe" because I can't stand watching/listening to poor handheld cellphone or camera recordings. I guess since "Believe" was a hot-topic around here, I've since become familiar with "Honest Man". Now, having really listened to Believe for the first time today, I can say that I do NOT like it as much as Honest Man, because I love the lyrics of Honest-Man alot, however, had Live put that song out, it would have been the best song they've done in a LONG time. Ed seemed to have gotten semi-aggressive and even lyrically it wasn't that bad. I think "No Return" may have been a better song-title.

I'd really like to hear Ed on the track singing the Honest-Man lyrics.

This post has been edited by PurdueSteve: Aug 6 2010, 3:09 pm

[thefunkyredcaboose]

I'd really like to hear Ed on the track singing the Honest-Man lyrics.

Objectively speaking, Ed would have to either sing it an octave lower or sing so much of the song in falsetto that it would be un-listenable. I'm sure I'll get ripped for that by someone, but Ed would have never written this melody because it is going to be out of his range.

Besides that, Kevin wrote the lyrics, so let's just leave the credit where it belongs and not in some crazy hypothetical universe where Ed actually still writes interesting lyrics. I'm totally cool with people not liking Kevin's voice, but if you like his lyrics then at least give him credit for that.

Saying otherwise is quite the musical slap in the face, IMO.

[Hoodstock]

Objectively speaking, Ed would have to either sing it an octave lower or sing so much of the song in falsetto that it would be un-listenable. I'm sure I'll get ripped for that by someone, but Ed would have never written this melody because it is going to be out of his range.

Besides that, Kevin wrote the lyrics, so let's just leave the credit where it belongs and not in some crazy hypothetical universe where Ed actually still writes interesting lyrics. I'm totally cool with people not liking Kevin's voice, but if you like his lyrics then at least give him credit for that.

Saying otherwise is quite the musical slap in the face, IMO.

Ed's lyrics have been shit for years. Kevin sounds alright on the recordings, I don't know about live though. From what I've seen, he cannot manage the Live covers they've been doing.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Ed's lyrics have been shit for years. Kevin sounds alright on the recordings, I don't know about live though. From what I've seen, he cannot manage the Live covers they've been doing.

They did one Live cover twice. The Summerfest performance was bad, but did you hear the Fat Daddy's one? It was much better, so who knows what was going on? Monitor problems maybe? There's no way to know, and they quit playing the song anyway, probably because it was too low. That's a bit of a different problem than having trouble performing a song because the notes are too high. We all watched Ed struggle with that after V came out and it wasn't pleasant.

I love both of their voices, but it is just objective that Kevin sings higher than Ed. That isn't a slap in the face to anyone, it just means that neither would do an amazing job at covering each other's songs without moving the key around. I don't know that anyone wants that, I definitely don't.

This post has been edited by thefunkyredcaboose: Aug 7 2010, 10:11 pm