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post Aug 2 2010, 11:40 am
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Recently Ed has been changing the lyrics to more and more old Live songs:

1. "To Christ, a cross, to me, a chair, I will sit and I've got to worship from down here!"

2. Adding Amazing Grace into I Alone.

This began with Operation: Spirit in the Live days. I don't think we all cared as much because we were just glad to hear the song again. But, what now?

I think the STD lyric change makes very little sense within the rest of the song, as does placing Amazing Grace into I Alone. If the song is now meaningless, what is the point of continuing to perform it when there is a large back catalog of tunes?

And before anyone says it, if Ed is truly a Christian then great for him, but this discussion really isn't about that. I am rather fond of many of the Christians I know and I am very familiar with their practice. This is more about what the lyric changes do to the song.

Have at it.


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post Aug 2 2010, 12:55 pm
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Yeah I don't think this would have anything to do with royalties.

I think it's a shame really. Someone brought up the point that they're his songs and he should be able to do what he wants. Again that's not the point, of course he can do it, the argument is should he do it. I don't believe he should.

These songs obviously reflect how he felt at a certain point in his life, and it's clear his feelings have changed, and that's fair enough. But the songs were still written with purpose and meaning. When he wrote them he poured his heart into them and some of them had obviously some ridiculous amount of thought and time go into them I'm sure. To throw away a line now which changes the meaning of the song just devalues the original work.
So many of us fell in love with those songs just the way they were for the content of them as much as anything else. They spoke to us. Changing that just doesn't sit right.

A lot of the time I don't mind when a singer changes the words to songs in concert. It can give the concert a really unique feel and I do like songs not sounding like exact replicas of what you hear on CD.
Not to constantly bring up Morrissey, but he's a classic example of changing lyrics in songs. However the changes are generally very tongue in cheek and if they change the meaning of the song it's done in an ironic humourus fashion. For example changing the line of "please please please let me get what I want" to "let me get who I want". Or just one word changes like "walkman started to melt to ipod started to melt[i].

I think there's a real difference between changing the words in a song, and changing the meaning in a song. It's fine to change the words and have fun with it live and such. But changing the meaning is different, if Ed really doesn't feel those songs represent him anymore then I wish he wouldn't play them. Let them rest instead of whoring them out and dragging what they were written for through the mud.

Could you imagine someone who started off as a Christian rock star writing songs about God, changing his thinking and becoming an athiest but still singing a song about praising God but changing some words around to flip it on it's head? It just sounds absurd, they'd be better off writing new songs that reflect the way they feel now.

Yes Ed has done that with his new album, but there's still a great deal of old Live material he could call upon (although I wish he wouldnt) that don't have to conflict with his Christian beliefes. Waitress or Shit Towne for example.


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thefunkyredcaboose   Ed changing the lyrics   Aug 2 2010, 11:40 am
OutToDry   Perhaps this is Ed's way of getting around the...   Aug 2 2010, 11:48 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Perhaps this is Ed's way of getting around th...   Aug 2 2010, 11:50 am
VoodooLady   If he can't reconcile his current faith with t...   Aug 2 2010, 12:35 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Ed would change it to "Pray it!"   Aug 2 2010, 12:36 pm
TheBeacon   Well, their his lyrics so I guess he can do what h...   Aug 2 2010, 12:37 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I think there's a real difference between cha...   Aug 2 2010, 1:08 pm
Hoodstock   He shouldn't change songs. I'd like to he...   Aug 2 2010, 2:02 pm
TheBeacon   Like I said before, they're his songs, he is t...   Aug 2 2010, 2:05 pm
LivesMeltdown   I have no issue with the changing of lyrics. That...   Aug 2 2010, 3:50 pm
dancing queen   when did he add amazing grace to i alone? can I yo...   Aug 2 2010, 10:32 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   when did he add amazing grace to i alone? can I y...   Aug 2 2010, 10:41 pm
dancing queen   Do you think Selling the Drama is about worshipin...   Aug 3 2010, 2:59 pm
ItchyTriggerFinger   no, that's what I meant..., changing just tha...   Aug 3 2010, 3:56 pm
dancing queen   Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the lyric and the s...   Aug 3 2010, 3:59 pm
VoodooLady   absolutely. speaking of selling the drama... I th...   Aug 3 2010, 6:50 pm
Bremang   :omg: seriously? changing to Christ: a cross...   Aug 3 2010, 7:37 pm
dangum   when did he add amazing grace to i alone? can I y...   Aug 3 2010, 12:21 am
thefunkyredcaboose   There's an audio recording. [Audio] Ed full ...   Aug 3 2010, 6:40 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Way to completely fail at recognizing the parody p...   Aug 2 2010, 10:41 pm
ItchyTriggerFinger   Way to completely fail at recognizing the parody ...   Aug 3 2010, 12:04 am
thefunkyredcaboose   LOL. The parody all too accurately reflected wha...   Aug 3 2010, 6:39 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   Agreed. It was really the "changing the lyr...   Aug 3 2010, 11:14 am
VoodooLady   :wacko: WORDS MATTER am sitting here pondering ...   Aug 3 2010, 8:15 am
Pokey   :wacko: WORDS MATTER am sitting here pondering...   Aug 3 2010, 10:45 am
VoodooLady   "Stuff you, ok I'll do what you tell me...   Aug 3 2010, 11:10 am
TheBeacon   Me wondering if Ed could pull off any lyric changi...   Aug 3 2010, 10:52 am
Pokey   Me wondering if Ed could pull off any lyric chang...   Aug 3 2010, 11:05 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   I love you in my dreams I'd never turn the ot...   Aug 3 2010, 11:15 am
Merica   1. "To Christ, a cross, to me, a chair, I wil...   Aug 3 2010, 10:53 am
Pokey   I wonder if Ed will eventually go around knocking ...   Aug 3 2010, 11:16 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   I wonder if Ed will eventually go around knocking...   Aug 3 2010, 3:55 pm
Sakhmet2   You're not thinking big enough. He'll of...   Aug 3 2010, 8:02 pm
deepenoughtodive   Whoever gave the scenario about a Christian artist...   Aug 3 2010, 1:29 pm
dancing queen   Whoever gave the scenario about a Christian artis...   Aug 3 2010, 3:05 pm
VoodooLady   how about this one.. I liked the way my hand look...   Aug 3 2010, 6:54 pm
Bremang   It would probably be a bad idea for Ed to put his ...   Aug 3 2010, 8:06 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   It would probably be a bad idea for Ed to put his...   Aug 3 2010, 9:36 pm
Bremang   No one is asking Ed to put all of his old songs...   Aug 4 2010, 11:51 pm
VoodooLady   It would probably be a bad idea for Ed to put his...   Aug 4 2010, 6:18 am
Bremang   is it about the audience or about Ed's new ...   Aug 5 2010, 12:30 am
VoodooLady   Why does that matter? For whichever reason Ed has...   Aug 5 2010, 6:02 am
Bremang   you just made the point in your previous pos...   Aug 5 2010, 9:38 pm
Liveman94   Recently Ed has been changing the lyrics to more ...   Aug 3 2010, 8:44 pm
+Ed+   I wonder if Ed will eventually go around knocking...   Aug 4 2010, 1:44 am
+Ed+   Couple of years ago if I recall it right. together...   Aug 4 2010, 6:25 am
livefan1999   In a release on Alernative Addiction, they mention...   Aug 4 2010, 8:28 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   In a release on Alernative Addiction, they mentio...   Aug 4 2010, 11:58 am
thefunkyredcaboose   However, if they decide to change Turn My Head to...   Aug 4 2010, 3:20 pm
TheBeacon   I disagree entirely! See the recent cover of...   Aug 4 2010, 4:31 pm
Sakhmet2   This song could easily be turned into a rocker a ...   Aug 5 2010, 7:05 am
Pokey   I wouldn't have as much of a problem, a differ...   Aug 4 2010, 8:35 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I wouldn't have as much of a problem, a diffe...   Aug 4 2010, 9:01 am
sh4rpz   I wouldn't have as much of a problem, a diffe...   Aug 4 2010, 9:12 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Ed's new band is altering the music too, by th...   Aug 4 2010, 9:00 am
Bremang   Ed's new band is altering the music too, by t...   Aug 5 2010, 12:01 am
thefunkyredcaboose   Yes, the song meanings are changed when the lyric...   Aug 5 2010, 9:14 am
Bremang   The song meanings aren't just changed, the ...   Aug 5 2010, 8:43 pm
dangum   Royalties always play a role for each individual ...   Aug 5 2010, 10:51 pm
Bremang   Do you have any evidence of this? As far as I...   Aug 7 2010, 4:01 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I gave an example with selling the drama about ho...   Aug 6 2010, 7:15 am
Bremang   About the royalties, you are incorrect. About ...   Aug 7 2010, 4:03 am
sh4rpz   I am not a fan of the fact that Ed and TGF have be...   Aug 4 2010, 9:11 am
OutToDry   Only Live song performed by TGF has been Lakini...   Aug 4 2010, 9:20 am
sh4rpz   Only Live song performed by TGF has been Lakini...   Aug 4 2010, 9:42 am
+Ed+   BTW when Ed changed the lyrics in Grunspan, noone ...   Aug 4 2010, 10:29 am
Aitkens   http://www.musicianwages.com/the-working-m...ng-co...   Aug 6 2010, 1:10 am
jaybb   He can cover whatever song he wants in a performan...   Aug 6 2010, 2:55 am
+Ed+   We will soon see Alive cover added here: http://w...   Aug 6 2010, 3:49 am
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