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post Jun 14 2010, 2:58 pm
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I've been searching for public notes on what may be happening in the courtroom, here's one of them. I suspect the selling of bootlegs on Ed's website are not legal as they appear.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/05/18/New_Complaints.htm

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Rock and RollThree members of the band Live claim their former lead singer Edward Kowalczyk owes them $225,000 for music he sold on his Web site, in New York County Court.



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QUOTE(Bremang @ Jul 7 2010, 12:47 pm) *



Wrong, you said his MO from the beginning was to "Pull this shit" referring to how you said Ed wanted to figuratively "Fuck his friends" That means hurt them, not just become over influence.

Its not syntax buddy. Its just logic, and trying to keep you rational in the face of your assumptions and exaggerations.

In this whole Live history, I would say that I would support everyone, because they have created alot of my favorite music, and I think this in invaluable to me. I love so much of their vision and rockingness, since I first saw the lightning crashes video and bought TC in 1995. I'm still here hanging on their news, and I'd say I'd be considered amongst any Live fan. 7 shows, meet and greet, trivia out the ass, you name it.

Every album that came after TC I was at first disappointed with. Many times the music would grow on me, and I would really change my mind and love the music, to my surprise even for V. I definitely realize that Live, particularly Ed, has become more disappointing musically as time goes on, with fewer gems in the mix.

However, I realize that talent does not always last. I realize that decisions can be made to make more money. I am of the opinion, which I do not like to use a reason for making arguments, that if Ed or any of the band wanted to make money in any way, sell out, that I would be fine with that, as I am very grateful for all they have done. If this means they only had 10 good years, I am grateful that it is more than most any other band has done for me.
They owe me nothing.

As per Ed vs. the band, even if Ed screwed them, I cannot know how to quantify who deserved what. I wouldn't be surprised, if Ed deserves more money than the rest of the band, and I don't want to assume anything about this summons, especially since nothing has come to a close.


I am tired of reading jaded, exaggerated, assumptions on this board. In some ways its an obstacle from trying to figure out what really happened with the band, and can only hinder ones honest opinion about how they might feel. I don't hide the fact that I dislike Ed's music recently, or that the quality has been worse over the past 10 years (though I will say the 2003 concert of mine beat all the shows from the 90s). I will argue any point for or against Ed or the band, if I see that it is annoying senseless jaded drivel.

I think that alot of these assumptions come from being jaded, most likely from having too much faith in the band in the first place. While I believe Live has always had some sense of marketing, and lies about them, the important thing is that their music was inspiring in some way, to either a rebellious rocking extent, or to a vision of love, and that Ed's ability to inspire so many, is part of the reason why I think he shouldn't be so hated here. Hes done way more good than bad, and his bad things we can only speculate over.




Ok easy does it. I simply stated my opinion about Ed, that being said, I never said it was a fact, it's simply my opinion that it was his MO to become the end all be all. This is what I believe regarding his makeup.



You make good points with the above regarding what Live's history meant to you, but stop harping on my Ed's MO thing. My senseless jaded drivel is my opinion.



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OutToDry   Ed's Bootlegs (inc. Supreme Court summons)   Jun 14 2010, 2:58 pm
Nobody Knows   You can sue someone for just about anything in the...   Jun 14 2010, 3:25 pm
Badman   Wow... this is about to be ugly :wow:   Jun 14 2010, 3:46 pm
jclive   Wow... this is about to be ugly :wow: I'm ...   Jun 14 2010, 4:23 pm
OutToDry   I am looking for this on the NYS Court system webs...   Jun 14 2010, 3:47 pm
Rupe   I am looking for this on the NYS Court system web...   Jun 14 2010, 5:02 pm
SJN1279   I guess they want to put up more billboards? 225...   Jun 14 2010, 5:06 pm
Rupe   I guess they want to put up more billboards? 22...   Jun 14 2010, 5:10 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I guess they want to put up more billboards? 22...   Jun 14 2010, 5:15 pm
livefan86   I guess it is too much for you to actually find a...   Jun 14 2010, 5:22 pm
SJN1279   From reading the complaint it seems to me that Ed...   Jun 14 2010, 6:21 pm
LivesMeltdown   Go to http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/ind...   Jun 14 2010, 5:07 pm
OutToDry   Very well, it should be left to the attorneys :n...   Jun 14 2010, 4:25 pm
LivesMeltdown   Unless I'm missing something, I have a hard ti...   Jun 14 2010, 4:38 pm
livefan86   Unless I'm missing something, I have a hard t...   Jun 14 2010, 4:59 pm
Sakhmet2   Unless I'm missing something, I have a hard t...   Jun 14 2010, 7:15 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQ...No=60...   Jun 14 2010, 5:14 pm
LivesMeltdown   http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQ...No=6...   Jun 14 2010, 5:18 pm
OutToDry   Cats out of the bag now. I found this an hour ago...   Jun 14 2010, 5:22 pm
OutToDry   Yeah, they are suing for punitive damages and a fu...   Jun 14 2010, 5:29 pm
LivesMeltdown   $1 million? Doesn't sound like Mucho L...   Jun 14 2010, 5:33 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   If the allegations are even partly true (with cont...   Jun 14 2010, 5:54 pm
OutToDry   If the allegations are even partly true (with con...   Jun 14 2010, 6:10 pm
SJN1279   I've been searching for public notes on what ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:17 pm
VoodooLady   Yeah you just happened upon court documents. No ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:37 pm
OutToDry   Hey no one told me to other than me. I posted the...   Jun 14 2010, 6:19 pm
OutToDry   Is that all you can grasp at? typical nonchalonse...   Jun 14 2010, 6:26 pm
SJN1279   Is that all you can grasp at? typical nonchalons...   Jun 14 2010, 6:35 pm
VoodooLady   Complaint filed on May 17th and da EK has 30 days ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:44 pm
SJN1279   Complaint filed on May 17th and da EK has 30 days...   Jun 14 2010, 6:47 pm
VoodooLady   You are just going to get more lawyer bullshit fr...   Jun 14 2010, 6:55 pm
SJN1279   you sir, are a tool. and a seriously delusional o...   Jun 14 2010, 6:59 pm
VoodooLady   Exactly why am I mentally ill? Delusional diso...   Jun 14 2010, 7:17 pm
VoodooLady   Complaint filed on May 17th and da EK has 30 days ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:45 pm
OutToDry   I am positive Ed wouldn't want it at all costs...   Jun 14 2010, 6:48 pm
LivesMeltdown   http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore...   Jun 14 2010, 6:59 pm
OutToDry   I bet that Ed will have to settle out of court of ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:02 pm
Heather   Wow that was an interesting read! :omg: I g...   Jun 14 2010, 7:03 pm
SJN1279   Wow that was an interesting read! :omg: I ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:04 pm
OutToDry   Either way, I think Ed's gonna lose regardless...   Jun 14 2010, 7:05 pm
SJN1279   Either way, I think Ed's gonna lose regardles...   Jun 14 2010, 7:10 pm
crazy1   I think so too! Yes...karma is a bitch! :...   Jun 14 2010, 7:08 pm
Merica   Very interesting read. I hope we get to read Ed...   Jun 14 2010, 7:11 pm
OutToDry   If he settles, he has to come up with a wad of cas...   Jun 14 2010, 7:12 pm
crazy1   A settlement would be an admission of guilt to me...   Jun 14 2010, 7:12 pm
Heather   A seetlement would be an admission of guilt to me...   Jun 14 2010, 7:16 pm
crazy1   Yeah it's a shame. I'd love to see Ed in ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:17 pm
LivesMeltdown   It's an admission of guilt to me! Too bad...   Jun 14 2010, 7:17 pm
SJN1279   Not necessarily. Sometimes there are settlements...   Jun 14 2010, 7:20 pm
SJN1279   A seetlement would be an admission of guilt to me...   Jun 14 2010, 7:18 pm
crazy1   A settlement is a way to avoid 5 years of court c...   Jun 14 2010, 7:21 pm
SJN1279   yeah..i suppose that is true I'm as popular...   Jun 14 2010, 7:24 pm
OutToDry   I'm as popular in jury rooms as I am on thi...   Jun 14 2010, 7:37 pm
TheBeacon   A settlement is a way to avoid 5 years of court c...   Jun 14 2010, 8:10 pm
crazy1   A settlement in my eyes is an admission of guilt ....   Jun 14 2010, 7:16 pm
Sakhmet2   "29. In 2005, Kowalczyk presented the Plaint...   Jun 14 2010, 7:24 pm
Existentialist   My crystal ball says it will be settled, too, beca...   Jun 14 2010, 7:32 pm
SJN1279   My crystal ball says it will be settled, too, bec...   Jun 14 2010, 7:35 pm
OutToDry   Hey, it's all here....I told you before..........   Jun 14 2010, 7:38 pm
Aitkens   Ed better hope his sales of coffee, pendants, and ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:41 pm
SJN1279   Ed better hope his sales of coffee, pendants, and...   Jun 14 2010, 7:43 pm
Aitkens   Ed's been actually working since the break-up...   Jun 14 2010, 7:45 pm
SJN1279   Now see, that's just not true. There you are...   Jun 14 2010, 7:47 pm
LivesMeltdown   What work have they been doing? Nothing band rel...   Jun 14 2010, 7:48 pm
Aitkens   What work have they been doing? Nothing band rel...   Jun 14 2010, 7:51 pm
SJN1279   Interviews, rehearsals, a few shows, promotion, f...   Jun 14 2010, 7:55 pm
Aitkens   Yes, but work with no new income for the past yea...   Jun 14 2010, 7:58 pm
VoodooLady   Ed's been actually working since the break-up...   Jun 14 2010, 7:51 pm
OutToDry   Nothing band related..........wow....another crack...   Jun 14 2010, 7:55 pm
OutToDry   Nick.....youre dumb.....they discovered it last Ju...   Jun 14 2010, 7:58 pm
SJN1279   Nick.....youre dumb.....they discovered it last J...   Jun 14 2010, 8:04 pm
Aitkens   It took them 4 years to discover that they were a...   Jun 14 2010, 8:07 pm
tiger   It took them 4 years to discover that they were a...   Jun 14 2010, 8:19 pm
OutToDry   How do you answer that Levin violated his fiduciar...   Jun 14 2010, 8:07 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Can we make a rule that no one can post about this...   Jun 14 2010, 8:21 pm
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