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post Jun 14 2010, 2:58 pm
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I've been searching for public notes on what may be happening in the courtroom, here's one of them. I suspect the selling of bootlegs on Ed's website are not legal as they appear.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/05/18/New_Complaints.htm

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Rock and RollThree members of the band Live claim their former lead singer Edward Kowalczyk owes them $225,000 for music he sold on his Web site, in New York County Court.



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QUOTE(jclive @ Jul 7 2010, 6:00 am) *

Maybe Ed had already decided to go solo. And maybe, just maybe, his buddies Pat, Chad, and Chad wanted to talk him into staying with Live instead. One thing leads to another, and Ed says he'll stay, but only under these conditions... An 'ultimatum' could reasonably be reached from this angle. But oh wait, that doesnt fit very well with the 'everything TGF says is golden, and da EK is a douche because he took over the band and screwed his friends (I only believe this because everything TGF says is golden)' crowd.

You guys all seem to assume that Ed just walked up to his friends one day, handed them a contract that said he was taking over the band or would leave, and then forced them to sign it.

So to make a long story short, we have no idea how this all transpired. And we never will.

Now let's all continue to beat the dead horse...


Well they're obviously sure enough about their side of things to take it to court which I think is a pretty serious indicator.

You say all the "maybe, just maybe", it could be "maybe, just maybe" all the other way too. The thing that makes me think that TGF's side is correct isn't just what they say, but what Ed says and does too. I'm not personally following them blindly, what they say just seems to fit hand in glove with the sort of character you could see Ed becoming. There's lots of reports here and there for awhile about his character turning to mush.
You could say "maybe, just maybe" that TGF have capitalised on Ed's bad standings with people and concocted this plan to make him look like the bad guy, but that's really stretching conspiracy theories a bit far.

In the end, to me, the TGF guys come off as down to earth blokes with flaws I'm sure, Ed comes across as an egotistical dick with some upsides I'm sure. But to me Ed just seems like the aggressor and the instigator of the trouble in this situation.
It's well documented back in 2001 that Ed wrote most of V on his own and that CT said that it hurt because up until that point they were a team. He loved writing music, but then he said he understood that Ed needed to try something on his own. So there's already a history there from long ago of Ed wanting to write solo. The pieces just all fit much smoother with Ed saying "I write everything or I leave", as opposed to "Hey guys I'm gonna do some solo stuff now" "No wait Ed don't go, stay and you can write everything!".
You have to believe that if Ed gave them the option of "hey I'm gonna do a solo thing for a couple of years then we'll get back to writing together ok?" the other guys would have jumped for it, it's obvious how much writing music meant to them. They'd have probably taken that chance.

I'm sure it's not all TGF as total innocents and Ed as total evil, there's got to be some mud slung from other side, but in the end I believe that the foundation of the story to be as we see in the summons complaint, the minor details may vary a little but yeah..

Your turn to continue beating, this side of the horse is looking quite tender already.


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OutToDry   Ed's Bootlegs (inc. Supreme Court summons)   Jun 14 2010, 2:58 pm
Nobody Knows   You can sue someone for just about anything in the...   Jun 14 2010, 3:25 pm
Badman   Wow... this is about to be ugly :wow:   Jun 14 2010, 3:46 pm
jclive   Wow... this is about to be ugly :wow: I'm ...   Jun 14 2010, 4:23 pm
OutToDry   I am looking for this on the NYS Court system webs...   Jun 14 2010, 3:47 pm
Rupe   I am looking for this on the NYS Court system web...   Jun 14 2010, 5:02 pm
SJN1279   I guess they want to put up more billboards? 225...   Jun 14 2010, 5:06 pm
Rupe   I guess they want to put up more billboards? 22...   Jun 14 2010, 5:10 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I guess they want to put up more billboards? 22...   Jun 14 2010, 5:15 pm
livefan86   I guess it is too much for you to actually find a...   Jun 14 2010, 5:22 pm
SJN1279   From reading the complaint it seems to me that Ed...   Jun 14 2010, 6:21 pm
LivesMeltdown   Go to http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/ind...   Jun 14 2010, 5:07 pm
OutToDry   Very well, it should be left to the attorneys :n...   Jun 14 2010, 4:25 pm
LivesMeltdown   Unless I'm missing something, I have a hard ti...   Jun 14 2010, 4:38 pm
livefan86   Unless I'm missing something, I have a hard t...   Jun 14 2010, 4:59 pm
Sakhmet2   Unless I'm missing something, I have a hard t...   Jun 14 2010, 7:15 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQ...No=60...   Jun 14 2010, 5:14 pm
LivesMeltdown   http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQ...No=6...   Jun 14 2010, 5:18 pm
OutToDry   Cats out of the bag now. I found this an hour ago...   Jun 14 2010, 5:22 pm
OutToDry   Yeah, they are suing for punitive damages and a fu...   Jun 14 2010, 5:29 pm
LivesMeltdown   $1 million? Doesn't sound like Mucho L...   Jun 14 2010, 5:33 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   If the allegations are even partly true (with cont...   Jun 14 2010, 5:54 pm
OutToDry   If the allegations are even partly true (with con...   Jun 14 2010, 6:10 pm
SJN1279   I've been searching for public notes on what ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:17 pm
VoodooLady   Yeah you just happened upon court documents. No ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:37 pm
OutToDry   Hey no one told me to other than me. I posted the...   Jun 14 2010, 6:19 pm
OutToDry   Is that all you can grasp at? typical nonchalonse...   Jun 14 2010, 6:26 pm
SJN1279   Is that all you can grasp at? typical nonchalons...   Jun 14 2010, 6:35 pm
VoodooLady   Complaint filed on May 17th and da EK has 30 days ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:44 pm
SJN1279   Complaint filed on May 17th and da EK has 30 days...   Jun 14 2010, 6:47 pm
VoodooLady   You are just going to get more lawyer bullshit fr...   Jun 14 2010, 6:55 pm
SJN1279   you sir, are a tool. and a seriously delusional o...   Jun 14 2010, 6:59 pm
VoodooLady   Exactly why am I mentally ill? Delusional diso...   Jun 14 2010, 7:17 pm
VoodooLady   Complaint filed on May 17th and da EK has 30 days ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:45 pm
OutToDry   I am positive Ed wouldn't want it at all costs...   Jun 14 2010, 6:48 pm
LivesMeltdown   http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore...   Jun 14 2010, 6:59 pm
OutToDry   I bet that Ed will have to settle out of court of ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:02 pm
Heather   Wow that was an interesting read! :omg: I g...   Jun 14 2010, 7:03 pm
SJN1279   Wow that was an interesting read! :omg: I ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:04 pm
OutToDry   Either way, I think Ed's gonna lose regardless...   Jun 14 2010, 7:05 pm
SJN1279   Either way, I think Ed's gonna lose regardles...   Jun 14 2010, 7:10 pm
crazy1   I think so too! Yes...karma is a bitch! :...   Jun 14 2010, 7:08 pm
Merica   Very interesting read. I hope we get to read Ed...   Jun 14 2010, 7:11 pm
OutToDry   If he settles, he has to come up with a wad of cas...   Jun 14 2010, 7:12 pm
crazy1   A settlement would be an admission of guilt to me...   Jun 14 2010, 7:12 pm
Heather   A seetlement would be an admission of guilt to me...   Jun 14 2010, 7:16 pm
crazy1   Yeah it's a shame. I'd love to see Ed in ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:17 pm
LivesMeltdown   It's an admission of guilt to me! Too bad...   Jun 14 2010, 7:17 pm
SJN1279   Not necessarily. Sometimes there are settlements...   Jun 14 2010, 7:20 pm
SJN1279   A seetlement would be an admission of guilt to me...   Jun 14 2010, 7:18 pm
crazy1   A settlement is a way to avoid 5 years of court c...   Jun 14 2010, 7:21 pm
SJN1279   yeah..i suppose that is true I'm as popular...   Jun 14 2010, 7:24 pm
OutToDry   I'm as popular in jury rooms as I am on thi...   Jun 14 2010, 7:37 pm
TheBeacon   A settlement is a way to avoid 5 years of court c...   Jun 14 2010, 8:10 pm
crazy1   A settlement in my eyes is an admission of guilt ....   Jun 14 2010, 7:16 pm
Sakhmet2   "29. In 2005, Kowalczyk presented the Plaint...   Jun 14 2010, 7:24 pm
Existentialist   My crystal ball says it will be settled, too, beca...   Jun 14 2010, 7:32 pm
SJN1279   My crystal ball says it will be settled, too, bec...   Jun 14 2010, 7:35 pm
OutToDry   Hey, it's all here....I told you before..........   Jun 14 2010, 7:38 pm
Aitkens   Ed better hope his sales of coffee, pendants, and ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:41 pm
SJN1279   Ed better hope his sales of coffee, pendants, and...   Jun 14 2010, 7:43 pm
Aitkens   Ed's been actually working since the break-up...   Jun 14 2010, 7:45 pm
SJN1279   Now see, that's just not true. There you are...   Jun 14 2010, 7:47 pm
LivesMeltdown   What work have they been doing? Nothing band rel...   Jun 14 2010, 7:48 pm
Aitkens   What work have they been doing? Nothing band rel...   Jun 14 2010, 7:51 pm
SJN1279   Interviews, rehearsals, a few shows, promotion, f...   Jun 14 2010, 7:55 pm
Aitkens   Yes, but work with no new income for the past yea...   Jun 14 2010, 7:58 pm
VoodooLady   Ed's been actually working since the break-up...   Jun 14 2010, 7:51 pm
OutToDry   Nothing band related..........wow....another crack...   Jun 14 2010, 7:55 pm
OutToDry   Nick.....youre dumb.....they discovered it last Ju...   Jun 14 2010, 7:58 pm
SJN1279   Nick.....youre dumb.....they discovered it last J...   Jun 14 2010, 8:04 pm
Aitkens   It took them 4 years to discover that they were a...   Jun 14 2010, 8:07 pm
tiger   It took them 4 years to discover that they were a...   Jun 14 2010, 8:19 pm
OutToDry   How do you answer that Levin violated his fiduciar...   Jun 14 2010, 8:07 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Can we make a rule that no one can post about this...   Jun 14 2010, 8:21 pm
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