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post Jun 14 2010, 2:58 pm
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I've been searching for public notes on what may be happening in the courtroom, here's one of them. I suspect the selling of bootlegs on Ed's website are not legal as they appear.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/05/18/New_Complaints.htm

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Rock and RollThree members of the band Live claim their former lead singer Edward Kowalczyk owes them $225,000 for music he sold on his Web site, in New York County Court.



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I think we can all agree there was some level of douchebaggery going on here. It is rock and roll, so it is difficult to say that, when hearing only one side, that the other side MUST be to blame. If it all occurred as stated, then I think Ed is a bit of a douchebag. I mean, the band didn't start off as, like, Eddie K and the +Live+ers, or something. Each member of the band obviously thought that every other member of the band contributed something important. Maybe that changed. Maybe the guys stopped contributing good stuff. Maybe Ed stopped letting them contribute good stuff. Maybe the guys never contributed anything in the writing process and Ed was tired of splitting the profits unfairly. Maybe Ed just assumed more and more power over the band.

Could it have been worse? Sure. Ed could have gone the Axl Rose route and called his new album +Live+. But, he didn't. He went solo. Maybe that is more ego thinking his name is important, maybe it is giving the band name it's due and respecting it as an entity.

Let's take some lessons from other bands, though. When Scott Weiland was going through his highly publicized arrests in the late '90s/early '00s, he wasn't the only member of STP with a smack habit. He was the only one getting arrested, yes, but Dean DeLeo was a big drug user as well. It was the "hypocrisy" of Dean's public statements about their "singer's drug problems" forcing delays, etc., that angered Scott Weiland. But he looked like the douchebag.

When Velvet Revolver was forced to postpone tour dates, the band let Weiland take the hits in the press. But, privately, it was Matt Sorum's relapse that delayed the tour. In fact, Slash, Duff, Matt, Scott and Slash (Kushner did not) all relapsed, creating problems. Who took the hits in the press? Weiland. Who made comments about him in the press? Sorum, who was the real reason for the delay. That would piss me, like Weiland, off.

The point is that we don't know what happened, we really don't. I reviewed a +Live+ concert from a year ago in Anaheim on this board, and it was a far cry from seeing them years ago. Ed did not interact with the other band members at all. Between songs, he went back and spoke into a mic (that was not hooked up to the PA), then came back forward and did songs. He ACTED like it was a solo show. The others seemed "meh" about even being there. That also makes it look like Ed was the problem.

But who really knows? Bands have survived with strong, asshole-ish singer personalities, like Pearl Jam, but the members he butted heads with are gone (Dave Krusen, Dave Abbruzzese) and replaced with guys he did like (Jack Irons til he left, and Matt Cameron). It was a relapse that caused Steven Tyler to act erratically, but he finally realized HE was the asshole. STP needed to take a break, and us fans NEVER thought they'd even speak to each other again, much less play together. But who called Scott to congratulate him when VR's album went number 1? Dean Deleo. Little did we know, time passed, wounds healed, and childhood friendships returned.

Hope seems lost, those we looked up to seem to be disappointing us...but we don't know what happened, and we don't know what could happen. Maybe +Live+ will triumphantly return with a critically-acclaimed new record, a la STP...ya never know...


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OutToDry   Ed's Bootlegs (inc. Supreme Court summons)   Jun 14 2010, 2:58 pm
Nobody Knows   You can sue someone for just about anything in the...   Jun 14 2010, 3:25 pm
Badman   Wow... this is about to be ugly :wow:   Jun 14 2010, 3:46 pm
jclive   Wow... this is about to be ugly :wow: I'm ...   Jun 14 2010, 4:23 pm
OutToDry   I am looking for this on the NYS Court system webs...   Jun 14 2010, 3:47 pm
Rupe   I am looking for this on the NYS Court system web...   Jun 14 2010, 5:02 pm
SJN1279   I guess they want to put up more billboards? 225...   Jun 14 2010, 5:06 pm
Rupe   I guess they want to put up more billboards? 22...   Jun 14 2010, 5:10 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I guess they want to put up more billboards? 22...   Jun 14 2010, 5:15 pm
livefan86   I guess it is too much for you to actually find a...   Jun 14 2010, 5:22 pm
SJN1279   From reading the complaint it seems to me that Ed...   Jun 14 2010, 6:21 pm
LivesMeltdown   Go to http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/ind...   Jun 14 2010, 5:07 pm
OutToDry   Very well, it should be left to the attorneys :n...   Jun 14 2010, 4:25 pm
LivesMeltdown   Unless I'm missing something, I have a hard ti...   Jun 14 2010, 4:38 pm
livefan86   Unless I'm missing something, I have a hard t...   Jun 14 2010, 4:59 pm
Sakhmet2   Unless I'm missing something, I have a hard t...   Jun 14 2010, 7:15 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQ...No=60...   Jun 14 2010, 5:14 pm
LivesMeltdown   http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/iscroll/SQ...No=6...   Jun 14 2010, 5:18 pm
OutToDry   Cats out of the bag now. I found this an hour ago...   Jun 14 2010, 5:22 pm
OutToDry   Yeah, they are suing for punitive damages and a fu...   Jun 14 2010, 5:29 pm
LivesMeltdown   $1 million? Doesn't sound like Mucho L...   Jun 14 2010, 5:33 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   If the allegations are even partly true (with cont...   Jun 14 2010, 5:54 pm
OutToDry   If the allegations are even partly true (with con...   Jun 14 2010, 6:10 pm
SJN1279   I've been searching for public notes on what ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:17 pm
VoodooLady   Yeah you just happened upon court documents. No ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:37 pm
OutToDry   Hey no one told me to other than me. I posted the...   Jun 14 2010, 6:19 pm
OutToDry   Is that all you can grasp at? typical nonchalonse...   Jun 14 2010, 6:26 pm
SJN1279   Is that all you can grasp at? typical nonchalons...   Jun 14 2010, 6:35 pm
VoodooLady   Complaint filed on May 17th and da EK has 30 days ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:44 pm
SJN1279   Complaint filed on May 17th and da EK has 30 days...   Jun 14 2010, 6:47 pm
VoodooLady   You are just going to get more lawyer bullshit fr...   Jun 14 2010, 6:55 pm
SJN1279   you sir, are a tool. and a seriously delusional o...   Jun 14 2010, 6:59 pm
VoodooLady   Exactly why am I mentally ill? Delusional diso...   Jun 14 2010, 7:17 pm
VoodooLady   Complaint filed on May 17th and da EK has 30 days ...   Jun 14 2010, 6:45 pm
OutToDry   I am positive Ed wouldn't want it at all costs...   Jun 14 2010, 6:48 pm
LivesMeltdown   http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore...   Jun 14 2010, 6:59 pm
OutToDry   I bet that Ed will have to settle out of court of ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:02 pm
Heather   Wow that was an interesting read! :omg: I g...   Jun 14 2010, 7:03 pm
SJN1279   Wow that was an interesting read! :omg: I ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:04 pm
OutToDry   Either way, I think Ed's gonna lose regardless...   Jun 14 2010, 7:05 pm
SJN1279   Either way, I think Ed's gonna lose regardles...   Jun 14 2010, 7:10 pm
crazy1   I think so too! Yes...karma is a bitch! :...   Jun 14 2010, 7:08 pm
Merica   Very interesting read. I hope we get to read Ed...   Jun 14 2010, 7:11 pm
OutToDry   If he settles, he has to come up with a wad of cas...   Jun 14 2010, 7:12 pm
crazy1   A settlement would be an admission of guilt to me...   Jun 14 2010, 7:12 pm
Heather   A seetlement would be an admission of guilt to me...   Jun 14 2010, 7:16 pm
crazy1   Yeah it's a shame. I'd love to see Ed in ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:17 pm
LivesMeltdown   It's an admission of guilt to me! Too bad...   Jun 14 2010, 7:17 pm
SJN1279   Not necessarily. Sometimes there are settlements...   Jun 14 2010, 7:20 pm
SJN1279   A seetlement would be an admission of guilt to me...   Jun 14 2010, 7:18 pm
crazy1   A settlement is a way to avoid 5 years of court c...   Jun 14 2010, 7:21 pm
SJN1279   yeah..i suppose that is true I'm as popular...   Jun 14 2010, 7:24 pm
OutToDry   I'm as popular in jury rooms as I am on thi...   Jun 14 2010, 7:37 pm
TheBeacon   A settlement is a way to avoid 5 years of court c...   Jun 14 2010, 8:10 pm
crazy1   A settlement in my eyes is an admission of guilt ....   Jun 14 2010, 7:16 pm
Sakhmet2   "29. In 2005, Kowalczyk presented the Plaint...   Jun 14 2010, 7:24 pm
Existentialist   My crystal ball says it will be settled, too, beca...   Jun 14 2010, 7:32 pm
SJN1279   My crystal ball says it will be settled, too, bec...   Jun 14 2010, 7:35 pm
OutToDry   Hey, it's all here....I told you before..........   Jun 14 2010, 7:38 pm
Aitkens   Ed better hope his sales of coffee, pendants, and ...   Jun 14 2010, 7:41 pm
SJN1279   Ed better hope his sales of coffee, pendants, and...   Jun 14 2010, 7:43 pm
Aitkens   Ed's been actually working since the break-up...   Jun 14 2010, 7:45 pm
SJN1279   Now see, that's just not true. There you are...   Jun 14 2010, 7:47 pm
LivesMeltdown   What work have they been doing? Nothing band rel...   Jun 14 2010, 7:48 pm
Aitkens   What work have they been doing? Nothing band rel...   Jun 14 2010, 7:51 pm
SJN1279   Interviews, rehearsals, a few shows, promotion, f...   Jun 14 2010, 7:55 pm
Aitkens   Yes, but work with no new income for the past yea...   Jun 14 2010, 7:58 pm
VoodooLady   Ed's been actually working since the break-up...   Jun 14 2010, 7:51 pm
OutToDry   Nothing band related..........wow....another crack...   Jun 14 2010, 7:55 pm
OutToDry   Nick.....youre dumb.....they discovered it last Ju...   Jun 14 2010, 7:58 pm
SJN1279   Nick.....youre dumb.....they discovered it last J...   Jun 14 2010, 8:04 pm
Aitkens   It took them 4 years to discover that they were a...   Jun 14 2010, 8:07 pm
tiger   It took them 4 years to discover that they were a...   Jun 14 2010, 8:19 pm
OutToDry   How do you answer that Levin violated his fiduciar...   Jun 14 2010, 8:07 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Can we make a rule that no one can post about this...   Jun 14 2010, 8:21 pm
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