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SinfulEyes
post Jun 30 2010, 1:54 pm
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It sucks.

It sucks because it was put out by Ed Kowalczyk. Despite the allegations against treatment of fans, the man is definitely talented and capable of so much more.

If Daughtry or someone else had made the album, I'd give it higher marks.

It does contain melodies that get stuck in your head, Ed has always been good at those, but then again most people have the McDonalds "I'm loving it" melody stuck in their head after hearing it. That is hardly an attribute of quality.

The biggest turn offs, for me, is the over-the-top direction towards pop versus rock AND the strong pro-Christian overtones. Which is against what Ed stood for when most of us fell in love with his music.



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post Jul 1 2010, 9:37 am
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QUOTE(PurdueSteve @ Jun 30 2010, 2:54 pm) *

It sucks.

It sucks because it was put out by Ed Kowalczyk. Despite the allegations against treatment of fans, the man is definitely talented and capable of so much more.

If Daughtry or someone else had made the album, I'd give it higher marks.

It does contain melodies that get stuck in your head, Ed has always been good at those, but then again most people have the McDonalds "I'm loving it" melody stuck in their head after hearing it. That is hardly an attribute of quality.

The biggest turn offs, for me, is the over-the-top direction towards pop versus rock AND the strong pro-Christian overtones. Which is against what Ed stood for when most of us fell in love with his music.


I couldn't have said it better myself! I want to change my vote from maybe to it sucks.


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post Jul 1 2010, 9:55 am
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Not surprising that thieves aren't fond of Christian themes.


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post Jul 1 2010, 1:21 pm
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QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Jul 1 2010, 10:55 am) *

Not surprising that thieves aren't fond of Christian themes.


Ed... ahem.. the good music writing Ed, that catapulted him and Live into stardom and rock history, wasn't all that fond of Christian themes either.

I digress, we know you don't like MJ, TC or SS Ed, cause ya know, those albums don't contain enough pop, falsetto and shining light of love references.

In fact, this brings me to a big point of confusion. What the hell does Christian-Ed (and presumably you as a Christian) think when he sings older songs that are very anti-religious establishment. When LJ comes up, do you just pretend he doesn't mock communion? Do you even know the lyrics to the song? A real christian wouldn't tolerate music that mocked the divinity of religious practices. Either you, and Ed, hate Lakini's Juice or your both hypocrites.

"More wine cause I got to have it....
More skin cause I got to eat it.....
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I rushed the lady's room,
took the water from the toilet
Washed her feet and blessed her name
More peace is such a dirty habit"

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post Jul 1 2010, 1:29 pm
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QUOTE(PurdueSteve @ Jul 1 2010, 2:21 pm) *

Ed... ahem.. the good music writing Ed, that catapulted him and Live into stardom and rock history, wasn't all that fond of Christian themes either.

I digress, we know you don't like MJ, TC or SS Ed, cause ya know, those albums don't contain enough pop, falsetto and shining light of love references.

In fact, this brings me to a big point of confusion. What the hell does Christian-Ed (and presumably you as a Christian) think when he sings older songs that are very anti-religious establishment. When LJ comes up, do you just pretend he doesn't mock communion? Do you even know the lyrics to the song? A real christian wouldn't tolerate music that mocked the divinity of religious practices. Either you, and Ed, hate Lakini's Juice or your both hypocrites.

"More wine cause I got to have it....
More skin cause I got to eat it.....
...
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I rushed the lady's room,
took the water from the toilet
Washed her feet and blessed her name
More peace is such a dirty habit"


Ed has very different views towards religion now than he did in the mid-90's. Operation Spirits lyrics were changed because Ed wouldn't sing lyrics that were against his beliefs.


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QUOTE(SJN1279 @ Jul 1 2010, 2:29 pm) *

Ed has very different views towards religion now than he did in the mid-90's. Operation Spirits lyrics were changed because Ed wouldn't sing lyrics that were against his beliefs.

Which part of the lyrics?


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QUOTE(Sakhmet2 @ Jul 2 2010, 5:15 am) *

Which part of the lyrics?



"but what a man was 2000 years ago means alot to me today".


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SinfulEyes   Alive   Jun 30 2010, 1:54 pm
Badman   Somewhere in between. Some songs are catchy but t...   Jun 30 2010, 2:36 pm
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Pokey   Not surprising that thieves aren't fond of Ch...   Jul 1 2010, 10:31 am
SinfulEyes   Ed... ahem.. the good music writing Ed, that cata...   Jul 1 2010, 1:29 pm
Merica   Operation Spirits lyrics were changed because Ed w...   Jul 1 2010, 1:31 pm
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SJN1279   So he'll no longer be singing Lakini's Ju...   Jul 5 2010, 8:38 am
Aitkens   I don't believe that Lakini's Juice outri...   Jul 5 2010, 8:52 am
Sakhmet2   Clearly you have never read the lyrics then. W...   Jul 5 2010, 8:56 am
SJN1279   Clearly you have never read the lyrics then. I ...   Jul 5 2010, 8:59 am
ItchyTriggerFinger   Ed has very different views towards religion now ...   Jul 4 2010, 11:56 pm
+Ed+   Still waiting on a response to my question. Does...   Jul 5 2010, 1:39 am
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Sakhmet2   Thanks.   Jul 1 2010, 3:02 pm
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