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post Jun 2 2010, 2:31 pm
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I can see people stating Ed's songs and lyrics "don't have a meaning at all" nowadays, but as this man has been a real inspiration with his lyrics for me, I think it's good to start a thread about the meaning of his newer songs. They might look more simple or bland, you can think what you want, but it's always interesting to discuss the lyrics.

By that, I think it's cool of Ed he explains on Facebook what Grace is about for example (after he was asked to).

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Ed Kowalczyk (Ed K) Hi P Celine, the "who" that is "wrong" in the Grace lyric isn't really directed at anyone in particular. It's directed at the worldview that denies grace, or reasons for hope, the view that maintains that there isn't an ultimate purpose or meaning to life. Funny thing is, even people of faith, like i consider myself, need to be reminded of it constantly. "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."


So nothing TGF related (not that I expected that). A quite universal message, like Forever.


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post Jun 4 2010, 9:22 pm
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anyone have the lyrics to zion? I've been listening to it, dirty water, lotus flower, and grace a lot and I have the lyrics for DWLF down (I think) but there are some in Zion that elude me.
Anyone?

also, my apologies if it's already posted somewhere and I missed it.
Thanks a bunch!

... as far as Ed's lyrics not being as "meaningful" or "creative" or "interesting" as they used to be... I think Ed's in a happier place for the last few years than he was through SS. I read an interview where he said that he was high out of his brain when he wrote SS (which explains a lot) and he said he couldn't necessarily explain what all of those songs were about. SS is one of my favorite albums ever, so not to take away from it, but some of it appears to be just ramblings of drug induced attempts at creativity. (I have tried my hand at such things (as I'm sure many of us have) and the first time I got high in college I wrote a poem called "the speculum" and the first line was something about how I was so far from reality, I feel so separated, like the speculum..." this was not in fact genius. It was marijuana. And I can't write poetry under any circumstance.)

Probably none of you needed that story, but I think it's funny. I tell that story as "kids don't do drugs" PSA when I am at work sometimes.

anyway, happy people creativity isn't celebrated the way angry/despairing/hopeless creativity is. Happy people creativity can be annoying because "dammit, why are you so happy"
I'm happy. so I like his new version of the world.
If I were miserable, I would long for SS 2.0




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post Jun 5 2010, 6:06 am
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QUOTE(dancing queen @ Jun 4 2010, 10:22 pm) *

I read an interview where he said that he was high out of his brain when he wrote SS.

omg.gif Shocker!

QUOTE(dancing queen @ Jun 4 2010, 10:22 pm) *
(I have tried my hand at such things (as I'm sure many of us have) and the first time I got high in college I wrote a poem called "the speculum" and the first line was something about how I was so far from reality, I feel so separated, like the speculum..." this was not in fact genius.

But it may have been one of the few poems about a ob/gyn instrument that has ever been written. laugh.gif


QUOTE(dancing queen @ Jun 4 2010, 10:22 pm) *
anyway, happy people creativity isn't celebrated the way angry/despairing/hopeless creativity is.

Kind of like the way people hate successful mainstream rock.

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QUOTE(Sakhmet2 @ Jun 5 2010, 9:06 pm) *

Kind of like the way people hate successful mainstream rock.


This isn't exactly true. I'm sure none of us hated Live in 1995 sarcasm.gif


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QUOTE(Pokey @ Jun 5 2010, 7:17 am) *

This isn't exactly true. I'm sure none of us hated Live in 1995 sarcasm.gif



Nick did. The music back then was just too aggressive and full of meaning.


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QUOTE(Aitkens @ Jun 5 2010, 6:57 am) *

Nick did. The music back then was just too aggressive and full of meaning.


rofl. awesome.


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SecretInsomnia   Meaning of the songs on "Alive"   Jun 2 2010, 2:31 pm
Merica   To be honest, it could be directed at TGF. He woul...   Jun 2 2010, 2:33 pm
LivesMeltdown   To be honest, it could be directed at TGF. He wou...   Jun 2 2010, 2:41 pm
SecretInsomnia   To be honest, it could be directed at TGF. He wou...   Jun 2 2010, 2:47 pm
Pokey   Dude that shit is DEEP! It's not about T...   Jun 2 2010, 3:15 pm
OutToDry   I have photoshopped that caption from yesterday......   Jun 2 2010, 3:20 pm
dangum   I have photoshopped that caption from yesterday.....   Jun 2 2010, 8:10 pm
Senghe   I have photoshopped that caption from yesterday.....   Jun 5 2010, 4:33 am
OutToDry   not tonight, have to go to the hospital tonight   Jun 2 2010, 8:13 pm
Lori Ann   I think the lyrics are awesome and his comment abo...   Jun 2 2010, 11:34 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   "The greatest of teachers won't hesitate ...   Jun 2 2010, 11:56 pm
sallyinpa   "The greatest of teachers won't hesitate...   Jun 5 2010, 9:22 am
Wambangalang   Hmmmmm, interesting you chose to post those parti...   Jun 5 2010, 10:12 pm
sallyinpa   is he gonna get bannished out to sea with his anc...   Jun 7 2010, 12:39 pm
crazy1   Not meant to be cryptic at all. It's public ...   Jun 7 2010, 1:50 pm
imheyjude   Not meant to be cryptic at all. It's public ...   Jun 7 2010, 2:13 pm
SinfulEyes   Not meant to be cryptic at all. It's public ...   Jun 7 2010, 2:41 pm
Sakhmet2   Not meant to be cryptic at all. It's public ...   Jun 7 2010, 5:13 pm
CrashIn2Me6945   Not meant to be cryptic at all. It's public ...   Jun 8 2010, 3:33 pm
Aitkens   Ed wrote pretty much every +LiVe+ song so the res...   Jun 8 2010, 7:41 pm
LivesMeltdown   That's not true. Certainly on the last 3 alb...   Jun 8 2010, 7:45 pm
Aitkens   Last 4 albums. Actually the band had some seri...   Jun 8 2010, 7:49 pm
LivesMeltdown   Actually the band had some serious input on TDTH....   Jun 8 2010, 7:55 pm
Aitkens   Actually, you are incorrect. All lyrics on the a...   Jun 8 2010, 8:03 pm
OutToDry   Ed wrote pretty much every +LiVe+ song so the r...   Jun 8 2010, 8:20 pm
VoodooLady   This is the most rediculous post ever written on ...   Jun 8 2010, 8:38 pm
VoodooLady   Ed wrote pretty much every +LiVe+ song so the res...   Jun 8 2010, 8:36 pm
Sonic Tonic   Ed wrote pretty much every +LiVe+ song so the res...   Jun 8 2010, 8:52 pm
+Ed+   not tonight, have to go to the hospital tonight ...   Jun 3 2010, 12:24 am
Sakhmet2   This isn't exactly true. I'm sure none of...   Jun 5 2010, 6:56 am
Pokey   Nick did. The music back then was just too aggre...   Jun 5 2010, 7:47 am
+Ed+   In 1995, Live were "alternative", massi...   Jun 5 2010, 7:21 am
Sakhmet2   Good that you put alternative in inverted commas ...   Jun 5 2010, 7:27 am
Pokey   It depends on how someone is defining the term. I...   Jun 5 2010, 7:46 am
+Ed+   My definition of mainstream is the current popular...   Jun 5 2010, 7:40 am
dinkibass   I don't think the new songs are 'meaningle...   Jun 6 2010, 2:06 am
VoodooLady   there is nothing deep or personal about spouting ...   Jun 6 2010, 7:24 am
Sakhmet2   I don't think the new songs are 'meaningl...   Jun 6 2010, 8:05 am
LivesMeltdown   "life is like a shooting star, it don't m...   Jun 6 2010, 7:33 am
LivesMeltdown   I thought I read that Ed wrote Lightning Crashes a...   Jun 8 2010, 8:13 pm
Liveman94   I guess my point was that he wrote most of the a...   Jun 8 2010, 8:18 pm
Liveman94   Actually Chad Taylor and Patrick Dalheimer are cre...   Jun 8 2010, 8:15 pm
OutToDry   Yeah, the Kharma Bus.....I can't wait to see w...   Jun 8 2010, 8:16 pm
+Ed+   I thought I read that Ed wrote Lightning Crashes ...   Jun 8 2010, 11:55 pm
Pokey   More than that, LC he wrote while being 13, Adam ...   Jun 9 2010, 3:23 am
Sakhmet2   More than that, LC he wrote while being 13, Adam ...   Jun 9 2010, 8:40 am
+Ed+   Aw, thanks for the correction! I still rememb...   Jun 9 2010, 4:11 am
+Ed+   TRUE! Thanks a lot!   Jun 9 2010, 10:29 am


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