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LIVE Dear Fans of Live,

Summer
is upon us and lot's of exciting stuff is happening. Chad, Chad &
Pat (The Gracious Few) are gearing up for a few Summer shows starting
with a FREE show at a SECRET LOCATION this Thursday,
May 27th, in their home town of
YORK PA. Info about the show can be found at www.thegraciousfew.com

Also,
the boy's have 2 other early summer dates the first being in Milwaukee
at Summerfest on June 25th & the 2nd in Los
Angeles on June 29th at The Troubadour. Wanna VIP LA Style? VIP packages for the Troubadour show can
be purchased at http://www.thegraciousfewmerch.com/servlet/StoreFront!

Check out www.thegraciousfew.com where you can hear samples of their new music, sign up for the
mailing list or grab a t shirt from our Official Online Merch Store. Keep checking in for
upcoming announcements about the albums launch and summer tour dates.

Ed's
solo record "Alive" will be
released this summer & the first single Grace will be available June 1st on
iTunes. You can catch him live at one of his many shows this summer, all
the tour dates so far can be found at http://edkowalczyk.com/.

That's it for now
but keep checking in on both musical journeys.

For all the news
that is true, The Gracious Few -
Kevin, Chad, Pat, Chad and Sean


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QUOTE(VoodooLady @ May 25 2010, 7:55 am) *

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this for me is the saddest part of the story..



Now you're talking about Ed ruining Ed. I think this is a interesting subject that brings about many factors and confusion.

I see many people talk about Ed losing his songwriting ability, singing ability, and losing the drive to keep the concerts fresh and energetic. I read about Ed selling coffee, and phone calls, essentially selling out. I read about Ed being the cause of Live's downfall.

I think that Ed is significantly losing vocal strength, songwriting ability, and energy on stage in recent years.


I wouldn't completely blame Ed for selling the coffee and phone calls. There are so many possible reasons to justify selling coffee and phone calls. The industry has changed, Ed doesn't get a steady income now. The band Live has sold tons of merchandise unrelated to their music, which is part of trying to make a profit. Thats cause the second Live signed to Radioactive, they sold out. Tshirts, they sold alot, and it was to their target audience. Now the target is probably people in their 30's and 40's, homebodies. Ed sells coffee, chocolate, and phone calls. Hes making his target audience happy, because those are the ones he can please. George Foreman sells grills, and Ed is putting his image on a product too - coffee. While it is clearly to make money, it doesn't look like that evil a product. It is organic and fair trade, I wouldn't be surprised if it is good, though I don't drink coffee. As for phone calls, I wouldn't be surprised if some of us spent 200 bucks back in 1997 and would think it was worth every penny.

Every band member has gone on side projects and personal capital ventures. Gracey owns a buisness, probably a multi-million dollar one. Taylor has been trying to flip scripts and other bands for a while. Ed doesn't really have other ventures going on right now. Ed is a songwriter in this life. Why shouldn't he try to supplement his income? We don't know his finances, or whether he would have to find another job. The guy is trying to make a buck. He probably has no decent contract, and being a rock star doesn't last forever, hes clearly slipping. Yet he needs to make money for his family. I wonder what Ed wife says, or if shes worried about Live, so long as the children get food on the table and go to school.


And maybe Ed just got tired of doing the same thing for 20 years, while he sees himself growing old and less appreciated. Some of us consider Ed going downhill ever since TC, or TDTH, or 2006...but we all agree the in the last couple years the band was lacking on stage. They still got attention during this time, and were still appreciated by many. The reputation of Ed Kowalczyk was still in good standing around the world.

It wasn't until Chad's blogs that radio stations, and news outlets, started associating Ed with greed. Chad certainly didn't only clear the air, but used the term greed in Ed's name. There is no doubt that he was also pointing the finger. He could have just let it remain private, or coined it an internal disagreement. Gracey let him have it too.


Back to the main point of this thread....THE NEWSLETTER. Sure, the blog posts were a while ago, but we haven't been intimately updated since, and Chads words vs. Ed's words are put to the test of our faith. Chad has SINCE THEN, expressed dismay about Ed having a stolen version of the mailing list. He made it clear to us that he didn't like the idea of Ed on the mailing list, and this was more recent. But in the end, maybe its all fake, or maybe they cooled off, or maybe they are contractually obliged. I'd take fake and contractual obligation over being cooled off, since Chad was against Ed's stolen version of the list.

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sh4rpz   "Dear Fans of LIVE..."   May 23 2010, 1:52 pm
sh4rpz   :thumbsup: I thought it was really classy of t...   May 23 2010, 1:52 pm
LiveFan92   :thumbsup: I thought it was really classy of th...   May 24 2010, 11:28 am
SJN1279   I thought it was a great move on their part. Kee...   May 24 2010, 3:02 pm
Pokey   It certainly is classy, there you go Nick .. that...   May 23 2010, 1:57 pm
SJN1279   It certainly is classy, there you go Nick .. that...   May 23 2010, 1:59 pm
Aitkens   It was classy. It was also a way to get Ed fans ...   May 23 2010, 2:02 pm
Pokey   It was classy. It was also a way to get Ed fans ...   May 23 2010, 2:23 pm
sh4rpz   It was classy. It was also a way to get Ed fans ...   May 23 2010, 2:24 pm
Sonic Tonic   hahah ohh that Nick.   May 23 2010, 2:20 pm
Pokey   hahah ohh that Nick. lol some impossible situat...   May 23 2010, 2:24 pm
sh4rpz   lol some impossible situation arises and TGF some...   May 23 2010, 2:26 pm
OutToDry   TGF will rock and roll and steal your copies of Al...   May 23 2010, 2:33 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   If that is how Nick is spinning it then I guess Ed...   May 23 2010, 2:46 pm
Pokey   If that is how Nick is spinning it Maybe thats ...   May 23 2010, 2:48 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Maybe thats exactly it, Nick has been hired as so...   May 23 2010, 2:52 pm
sh4rpz   If that is how Nick is spinning it then I guess E...   May 23 2010, 2:56 pm
OutToDry   Hey, everyone keep fanning up The Gracious Few, we...   May 23 2010, 3:09 pm
SecretInsomnia   That's really cool of TGF, to mention Ed's...   May 23 2010, 4:33 pm
Pokey   The thing is that giving Ed a mention like that to...   May 23 2010, 4:58 pm
sh4rpz   The thing is that giving Ed a mention like that t...   May 24 2010, 2:14 am
Bremang   +1 to everything you said. It's almost as if...   May 24 2010, 5:10 pm
sh4rpz   It was a fansoflive letter, they were probably co...   May 24 2010, 6:03 pm
Bremang   no one asked him to 'give them a shout' o...   May 24 2010, 6:23 pm
sh4rpz   It probably isn't a gesture at all, contracts...   May 24 2010, 6:33 pm
Bremang   Fair enough. It is true we don't know the leg...   May 24 2010, 6:47 pm
sh4rpz   Scrapped what whole deal? The newsletter? You nee...   May 24 2010, 7:01 pm
Bremang   I can see this is only going to end up going in c...   May 24 2010, 7:07 pm
OutToDry   Pokey, youre right, so, so right. TGF, didn't...   May 23 2010, 5:03 pm
Bremang   Pokey, youre right, so, so right. TGF, didn...   May 24 2010, 5:36 pm
LivesMeltdown   Not sure why every topic has to become Ed vs. TGF....   May 23 2010, 5:27 pm
VoodooLady   Not sure why every topic has to become Ed vs. TGF...   May 24 2010, 11:15 am
Pokey   If creativity were really the only problem then a ...   May 23 2010, 5:43 pm
Aitkens   If creativity were really the only problem then a...   May 23 2010, 5:48 pm
Bremang   Where did this message come from? Is it a forum po...   May 23 2010, 10:46 pm
dancing queen   Where did this message come from? Is it a forum p...   May 23 2010, 10:55 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Well said. My guess is contractual obligation. As...   May 24 2010, 10:01 am
sh4rpz   Actually the guys' own the band name and coul...   May 24 2010, 12:31 pm
sh4rpz   Where did this message come from? Is it a forum p...   May 24 2010, 2:22 am
dangum   This message was posted on their Facebook profile....   May 24 2010, 2:55 am
sh4rpz   This message was posted on their Facebook profile...   May 24 2010, 3:15 am
VoodooLady   This message was posted on their Facebook profile...   May 24 2010, 11:18 am
Bremang   i got this in email addressed from Friends of Liv...   May 24 2010, 5:17 pm
Bremang   you make many valid points here - but considering...   May 24 2010, 5:13 pm
SJN1279   Where did this message come from? Is it a forum p...   May 24 2010, 6:10 am
Pokey   Well said! No it wasn't. I mean it was...   May 24 2010, 6:57 am
tiger   Well said! What's amazing to me is th...   May 24 2010, 8:49 am
Pokey   I do see that side of things too, hence why I thou...   May 23 2010, 11:06 pm
Bremang   I do see that side of things too, hence why I tho...   May 23 2010, 11:20 pm
Pokey   He made two long posts, not one. They included re...   May 24 2010, 12:24 am
Bremang   I don't think you really understand what the ...   May 24 2010, 5:27 pm
OutToDry   This steaming pile of dung again??? :no: Not g...   May 24 2010, 7:40 am
ShadowStormEK   Ugh....this all makes me so TIRED! I think th...   May 24 2010, 8:45 am
OutToDry   Art & Commerce in the music industry always in...   May 24 2010, 8:58 am
tiger   Art & Commerce in the music industry always i...   May 24 2010, 9:12 am
OutToDry   Perfectly stated 92.   May 24 2010, 11:44 am
Bremang   Perfectly stated 92. Yeah right, they delved i...   May 24 2010, 5:15 pm
OutToDry   Again you fail to recognize or admit they made an ...   May 24 2010, 3:34 pm
Hoodstock   A promo for Ed. TGF - that was a classy move. You...   May 24 2010, 4:33 pm
Bremang   A promo for Ed. TGF - that was a classy move. Yo...   May 24 2010, 5:16 pm
OutToDry   Oh so I picked a nerve with you again on this. We...   May 24 2010, 5:52 pm
Bremang   Oh so I picked a nerve with you again on this. W...   May 24 2010, 6:21 pm
OutToDry   quit littering with your personal attacks. wh...   May 24 2010, 6:38 pm
Bremang   How was that personal attack? I never said boo a...   May 24 2010, 6:42 pm
OutToDry   Grow some thicker skin man. You'll know if I...   May 24 2010, 6:44 pm
Bremang   Grow some thicker skin man. You'll know if ...   May 24 2010, 6:49 pm
OutToDry   Just cause it was an attack doesn't mean i...   May 24 2010, 6:56 pm
Bremang   No, that's what you read into it, you must ca...   May 24 2010, 7:02 pm
sh4rpz   Back on track then, all I wanted to say is that t...   May 24 2010, 7:12 pm
sh4rpz   :(   May 24 2010, 6:46 pm
OutToDry   All I am saying, the internal dynamic of Live is n...   May 24 2010, 6:47 pm
Bremang   All I am saying, the internal dynamic of Live is ...   May 24 2010, 6:49 pm
OutToDry   My olive branch will be in the MM forum later :thu...   May 24 2010, 7:00 pm
OutToDry   Good points Sh4rpz. :thumbsup:   May 24 2010, 7:04 pm
Bremang   Good points Sh4rpz. :thumbsup: We could use s...   May 24 2010, 7:09 pm
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