Ed Kowalczyk European Tour (Ed Kowalczyk Band), May/August-September 2010 Options

[SJN1279]

Ed's complete 2010 European Tour

Aug. 26 London, England (Koko)

\Aug. 28- Lieshout, Holland (Bavaria Open Air Festival)

Aug. 29- Utrecht, Holland (Music Centrum)

Aug. 30- Hamburg, Germany (Uebel@Gefanhrlich)

Sept.1- 2010 Amsterdam, Holland (Paradiso) SOLD OUT

Sept. 2- Antwerp Belgium (Riviernhof)

Sept. 3- Heerlen, Holland (Parkstad Limburg Theater)

Sep 4th, 2010 Lansingerland Holland (Rottepop Festival)

Sept. 5- Groningen, Holland (Oosterport)

Sept. 7- Stockholm, Sweden (Klubben)

Sept. 8- Oslo, Norway (John Dee)

Sept. Copenhogen, Denmark (Little Vega)

Links to tickets and info here:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ed-Kowalczyk...9ae629a70f2f316

or

www.edkowalczyk.com

[OutToDry]

Let me be the first to say, Ed will be looking for work in Vegas within a year or two. He's done as a musician. His plan is uber fail

[SJN1279]

Let me be the first to say, Ed will be looking for work in Vegas within a year or two. He's done as a musician. His plan is uber fail

Ed can tour on the Live catalogue for many years to come.

[sh4rpz]

Ed can tour on the Live catalogue for many years to come.

we are seeing this now - his new material is uninspiring and flat - just like on SFBM.

The way his band renders the LIVE catalogue is a far cry from the things that made us love this music.

You may not love LIVE as much as we do, and your love for the music post 2000 is your own thing - but many of us were caught up in this band and their music before that - and that is what LIVE stands for - not some cheap-ass cover sounding band.

I know it's still Ed, but even he must be cringing inside - he has to be. I think he has probably conceded that his only shot at 'selling' is to sell-out and submit to this poppy style everyday video-game console 'Rock Band' rock.

For me, he WAS the most recognisable face of LIVE, he WAS the voice of LIVE - he always will be in the music we have. But this new shit... It fucking blows.

Thanks, but no thanks.

[SJN1279]

we are seeing this now - his new material is uninspiring and flat - just like on SFBM.

The way his band renders the LIVE catalogue is a far cry from the things that made us love this music.

You may not love LIVE as much as we do, and your love for the music post 2000 is your own thing - but many of us were caught up in this band and their music before that - and that is what LIVE stands for - not some cheap-ass cover sounding band.

I know it's still Ed, but even he must be cringing inside - he has to be. I think he has probably conceded that his only shot at 'selling' is to sell-out and submit to this poppy style everyday video-game console 'Rock Band' rock.

For me, he WAS the most recognisable face of LIVE, he WAS the voice of LIVE - he always will be in the music we have. But this new shit... It fucking blows.

Thanks, but no thanks.

That is totally your opinion and you and others are entitled to it. Just like I and others are allowed to not be fans of TGF's music.

[sh4rpz]

That is totally your opinion and you and others are entitled to it. Just like I and others are allowed to not be fans of TGF's music.

err...Yes. This being a discussion board and all that.

You want my permission or what?

That's fine, although this being a LIVE board - and with the majority of LIVE's sound coming from MJ, TC, SS and TDTH, it is disturbing that certain folk prefer this mediocre EK pop music to what LIVE actually set out to be and that is a rock band. The largest section of the LIVE catalogue fits in that bill.

I don't think it is unreasonable to sit with our mouth's open in shock at what has been passed off as past LIVE material, especially since someone who is strongly linked with the music, like Ed is, was turning out these performances.

But, you are entitled to it, dear fanoflive.

[SJN1279]

err...Yes. This being a discussion board and all that.

You want my permission or what?

That's fine, although this being a LIVE board - and with the majority of LIVE's sound coming from MJ, TC, SS and TDTH, it is disturbing that certain folk prefer this mediocre EK pop music to what LIVE actually set out to be and that is a rock band. The largest section of the LIVE catalogue fits in that bill.

I don't think it is unreasonable to sit with our mouth's open in shock at what has been passed off as past LIVE material, especially since someone who is strongly linked with the music, like Ed is, was turning out these performances.

But, you are entitled to it, dear fanoflive.

Ed seems to be putting on very well-received shows overseas. The video I saw of "I Alone" with the new band was terrific. Is it different without the rest, I'm sure, but it doesn't make it bad.

[Pokey]

Is it different without the rest, I'm sure, but it doesn't make it bad.

You're right, different isn't always bad, different is sometimes very good! This, is just bad. These are sub standard musicians doing a poor job at recreating magic. You keep saying it's been well recieved .. by people like you! People who have no appreciation of music. How on earth that you think that this the pinnacle of music, it just blows my mind time and time again.

[HoraceScope]

Guys, I see your point, but frankly I think you need to stop comparing Ed's solo performances to LIVE. All good things come to an end eventually.

If you have any respect for Ed, let him find his way. There's a thing like midlife crisis even for the spiritual rocker. With his mind set on something else, he wouldn't have been much of an asset to LIVE in years to come. The band was destined to go past their sell-by-date. Be grateful they burnt out before they faded away...

His current band may not be the best, but Ed is in no position to hire the best players. Yet. The same way you can't start a top football team from scratch, you can't expect this band to sound anything like LIVE just now.

And despite the allegations of commercialization, maybe Ed is just sick of all the perfectionism of the past. Maybe he's thinking "I have never done anything all by myself. I need to find out if I can cope."

Also please allow me an observation of the past. I am no die-hard fan of LIVE, but I have been following them ever since Throwing Copper. Throughout all those years I have always appreciated the outstanding song-writing. Songs that have mostly been written by Eddie K. I always thought this band was nothing without the singer. He is the life and soul of this band. His songs, his vocals and his charisma are all deadly weapons. Now when I learned he was about to go solo, three thoughts were zigzagging through my mind:
a) Oh no! This brilliant band is no more!
b) But he's still there and this could get very exciting.
c) Oops! The other guys have been stripped of a job! How thoughtless of him...

He's not quite ready to excite me yet, but his new single is fantastic and as the gigs become bigger, the band will get better.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Guys, I see your point, but frankly I think you need to stop comparing Ed's solo performances to LIVE. All good things come to an end eventually.

If he is going to fill his set with Live songs then this comparison is going to happen.

If you have any respect for Ed, let him find his way. There's a thing like midlife crisis even for the spiritual rocker. With his mind set on something else, he wouldn't have been much of an asset to LIVE in years to come. The band was destined to go past their sell-by-date. Be grateful they burnt out before they faded away...

You don't think Live faded away? Have you paid attention their record ticket sales for the last 10 years?

His current band may not be the best, but Ed is in no position to hire the best players. Yet. The same way you can't start a top football team from scratch, you can't expect this band to sound anything like LIVE just now.

If you said we should stop comparing Ed's solo work and Live then why did you just do the same thing? Also, this music is not that hard. I have performed with local bands who execute music far more intricate than anything Live did, and especially more challenging than Ed's new pop material. Finding good musicians to play this music is incredibly easy.

And despite the allegations of commercialization, maybe Ed is just sick of all the perfectionism of the past. Maybe he's thinking "I have never done anything all by myself. I need to find out if I can cope."

This makes no sense.

Also please allow me an observation of the past. I am no die-hard fan of LIVE, but I have been following them ever since Throwing Copper. Throughout all those years I have always appreciated the outstanding song-writing. Songs that have mostly been written by Eddie K. I always thought this band was nothing without the singer. He is the life and soul of this band. His songs, his vocals and his charisma are all deadly weapons. Now when I learned he was about to go solo, three thoughts were zigzagging through my mind:
a) Oh no! This brilliant band is no more!
b) But he's still there and this could get very exciting.
c) Oops! The other guys have been stripped of a job! How thoughtless of him...

You don't know how Live's songwriting worked. You also don't really know how bands work and write together at all.

Sorry to be so harsh, but I'm no fan of someone new showing up on here and tell us what we need to be doing. That isn't cool!

This post has been edited by thefunkyredcaboose: May 14 2010, 12:07 am

[HoraceScope]

You don't know how Live's songwriting worked. You also don't really know how bands work and write together at all.

Hm. You’re right, I don’t know anything about how LIVE functioned, but I know the difference between orchestration, production and song-writing. And I can read liner notes. It is now your exclusive right to enlighten me as to why they wrote the first three albums together and later EK established himself as their main song-writer, because I can only guess.

I may not know enough about the history of LIVE, but to suggest I know nothing about how bands work at all is buncombe. Every outfit works differently. Some work very democratically, others are subject to dictatorship. It all depends on the characters in the game. I have i.e. witnessed in the flesh the writing process of a major pop band, and I definitely know how they work – it’s scary!

To be in a successful band is like any other job. You tire, you retire. Some people can’t do the same thing forever. If Ed wants to do pop, let him do pop. He definitely knows how to write a good song, that's the main reason why I like him. Orchestration is a bonus.

I have performed with local bands who execute music far more intricate than anything Live did, and especially more challenging than Ed's new pop material. Finding good musicians to play this music is incredibly easy.

Point taken, but do you want to spend time on the road with them? Maybe EK wants to be with his friends at the moment? Maybe he just wants to boss around somebody. Who knows?

Sorry to be so harsh, but I'm no fan of someone new showing up on here and tell us what we need to be doing. That isn't cool!

Excuse me, but this is by far the worst argument I have ever been confronted with. But I will pay you the favour and leave this forum as fast as I came. I just wanted the fans of Live to see some videos I filmed at Ed’s gig in Cologne, that’s why I registered in the first place. After all, it's a good idea to know what you hate. http://www.youtube.com/user/HoraceScope#p/u/0/ayuPSzxXXXg

Just one last thing: I realized from spending a good couple of days on this forum that it is full of bitterness. A lot of energy is going down the drain for nothing. Your favourite band is no more. You can lament over it for another decade! Or you could simply get over it. Whichever way you go is of course entirely up to you.

[SJN1279]

Just one last thing: I realized from spending a good couple of days on this forum that it is full of bitterness. A lot of energy is going down the drain for nothing. Your favourite band is no more. You can lament over it for another decade! Or you could simply get over it. Whichever way you go is of course entirely up to you.

Well said.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

Well said.

Because you've never contributed to it? Bullocks.

And I stand by my point that it is very poor internet etiquette to show up on a random message board and start talking about what people need to do or not do. That has nothing to do with bitterness and neither did my response.