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Apparently he is mastering both the Ed K. album and the TGF album. Interesting!


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Here's a little bit from a random web page. This involves making the master CD which goes to the cd plant to produce the little plastic cd's which fill our homes.(Well, at least my generation at least) lol.gif

Traditional CD Mastering
What To Expect (and not expect)

Expect mastering to be more relaxed than tracking or mixing.
It's an exciting process, seeing everything finally come together. There's a relief when you know you're in the final stretch. Artists and label personnel are eager to take that reference or master CD - and hear it out in the real world.

Expect to hear things you've never heard before in your mixes
since mastering will often make them more clear, 3-dimensional and distinct. The clarity and articulation (and volume) brought up in mastering is great, but sometimes there can be tics, blips, hiss and flaws that snuck by you at mix time. Sometimes extra low end in your mix will mask problem items in the top frequencies. The good news is that there are many tools available to enhance and correct some of these issues.

Expect mastering to give you enhanced compatibility.
Mastering, like many technologies, has come a long way - but our main goal is much the same as it has been for the last 25 years - to make your project sound great on a variety of playback systems. The sonics of your album should be appropriately compatible with other commercial CDs. It's even a good idea to bring in a couple commercial CDs with you when you come in for mastering. On our Nautilus NEMO DMC-8 (discrete level-matched monitor system) we can listen to your music and hear exactly how it stands next to other hit albums.

Expect the musical background of a mastering engineer to influence the quality of your product.
Mastering is art and science rolled into one. The art aspect comes from the depth of experience - for example, Bob Ludwig, Doug Sax, Bernie Grundman and John Vestman all have classical backgrounds (John has eight years of classical violin training) - it really adds to the perspective brought to your sound.

Mastering can bring out certain aspects of the mix more, or
subdue certain aspects.
Want your CD to be louder and have the kick drum to punch out more? Want the guitars to sound a little fatter? Want the voice to blend into the mix a bit more? Want a shorter fade? A longer fade? Want all the songs to be at the same volume level? Want the good chorus cloned to replace the lame chorus? Want the intro cut in half? Want more royalties from the record company? Almost all of these things CAN be done in mastering - particularly when you use the Separations format!

Trap: Extra extra loud CDs sound impressive at first, but they can cause the dynamic range (how low compared to how high) to shrink, thus losing overall punch. The wider that excursion or distance that the speaker moves (due to a greater dynamic range), the punchier it is. Today's louder CDs have but smaller dynamic peaks because everything must be brought up toward a "ceiling" beyond which you cannot exceed. The result is the music sounds louder overall, but the smaller dynamic range makes the sound somewhat less open and natural due to dynamic contrast.

CD data can hold only so many one's and zeroes - there aren't any bonus dBs that are available once you get to that top portion of volume potential. Some mixes will indeed sound punchier after mastering because the bass can be focused - particularly using Separations. Almost all mastered CDs can be made louder than the initial studio mixdown. Don't be fooled that the secret to a hot CD is to pre-squash your mix. Often a hot CD is best facilitated by a CORRECT musical arrangement and mixdown. This often takes experience - well, some call it trial and correct!

Expect to learn from the mastering process. Any questions you
have are welcome.
We prefer that you ask questions. Even the ones that you think are too far out to ask. Often you'll get your wish.

Quick Tip: Make the mastering of your project go faster by getting your ISRC Codes ahead of time! Free and easy to get - they important for getting paid from the internet digital distribution of your songs - we should ideally have these codes when we begin working on your project!



What not to expect from mastering!


Do not expect mastering to make or break the album.
Your material and your performance has to do that.

Do not expect mastering to take exactly the amount of time you think it will take.
In some cases it can take longer! It's a creative process. Has anything, including graphics, been done in exactly the amount of time you thought it would take?

Do not expect the mastering studio to never have any technical difficulties.
It's a studio. Highly maintained, and it looks simpler than a 48 track analog console, but it's a complex system - with high-resolution digital clocking, computer systems, back-up gear stored out-of-sight, machine alignment, etc... and there can be small technical delays. Not often. But occasionally. We don't charge for down time.

Do not expect the mastering engineer to be able to remove each and every flaw that appears. MOST we can get. But as mentioned above, you may hear little problems that can only be minimized, not eliminated. Our mastering system is fabulous for taking out dings. It is amazingly powerful, but there are types of distortion that can be embedded in the sound, and therefore part of the sound. Bringing in Separations often helps isolate distortions, making it easier to locate and remedy.

Do not expect the mastering engineer to be tireless.
We love our job because it's music, and music is energy and emotion. You don't want us to be a robot. You want us to be affected by music, and have sensitivities to music, and therefore have the limitations associated with being a sensitive and responsive person.

After you've listened to your CD at home, do not expect the mastering engineer to make changes for free. There is a difference between a defect and a preference.

If we do something that is determined to be a defect, we will absolutely make every needed correction and not charge you a penny. But if you'd like different edits, and more space between song 5 & 6, and more bottom on the bass (but not the kick), expect that you'll be on the clock. We're happy to give you what you prefer.

Remember, if you've approved the work done in the mastering studio, then further changes are a preference. Listening to the product at home and on different systems is your part in the mastering process.

We don't have time to experience the whole album over 5 different systems - you do - and your input is important in this process. It's not done till you say it's done.

"I admit I was a little skeptical at first... but once I talked to [John] over the phone, I felt like he was a professional and I could trust him. He really got me the sound I was looking for." -John D. Dalton - "Cut Over" - Danville, VA

"It's great working with a guy who can really HEAR! The steps [John] has taken to increase sonic definition have paid off." -Dennis Dragon - Grammy-winning engineer/co-producer for Captain & Tennille, Carole King, Johnny Rivers, Rocky Horror Picture Show and more


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How much of a difference should I hear in my ready-to-press masters? -Joshua

When something is excellently recorded and mixed, mastering shouldn't be a "night and day" difference. However, in many cases, mastering can and does make a night and day difference to the sound (particularly with Separations)! Each project is unique.

If your goals include retaining the musical integrity (not just going for blistering square-wave levels) you can probably still expect volume and balance enhancements - as well as widening of the sound stage, and a general smoother sound, more focused bottom and clarity. High-end mastering is superior to "mastering" plug-ins in every case we've heard.

We don't recommend "pre-slamming" your mix which can box us into a corner and possibly rob you of punch. Separations also helps in this area. Make your mix loud if that compliments your sound, but then leave the levels untouched and make Separations. With less content hitting your stereo limiter or compressor, the sound will open up in mastering - where added gain is easy. More dynamics and headroom at the mixing stage should be a concept that stays in balance with mega-slamming. Now, keep in mind, a non-slammed mix will sound different when mastered to slamming levels. Slamming changes the mix and the tone to a degree, so pre-slamming at the mix stage can give you insights into how the product will sound at an overall hotter level.

If I master my project with you, (and receive one master CD for duplication purposes) - I can than burn it at home to make copies, correct?

Yes. We can make you a Redbook audio CDR master that you can copy into your computer and make duplicates from, like you can with any commercial CD. There's no special CD plant coding that will mess things up. The main thing is that you can't play the master in a moving car or walkman - or do anything that could scratch or put dust or fingerprints on it. Your master CDR is very delicate and should be treated with the utmost care.

[If we master] directly from the computer, allowing us to bypass the Pro Tools master fader, do you feel that I would hear anything differently than I will in having you master from a bounced mixdown file?

Taking out the master fader (in Pro Tools) helps in mastering and when you bounce to stereo data files. You gain even more by bringing the computer here and having us re-clock it. Not to be redundant, but Separations are even better than bringing in the computer. Use your master fader to ensure that you're not going into clipping. Then whenever possible, remove the master fader. It sound better. (Some people even use different buss outputs instead of the stereo buss output when bouncing a stereo mix. Loop-back files also are an excellent way to go.)

[When I listen to our original bounced files] I still have this feeling that we lost something [vs.] how it sounds to me live on the speakers.

That's correct. By coming out of the mix session (instead of a bounced file) it will sound just like the mix session. Many people agree that the bounced (or rendered) stereo file doesn't sound as good as the original mix session. If you have a great monitor controller that lets you do level-matched A-B'ing, you can distinguish the difference - and therefore know what you're dealing with.

What should i be listening for in the masters i received from you?

A-B your masters with other commercial CDs. Start with the commercial CDs, get a nice sound on the consumer system, and then don't touch the system. Put in your CD and see how it sounds. Is it clear? Is it full? Is it smooth? Is it wide? Is the vocal where you want it? Do the lows sound good over the system when they sounded good with other CDs? If there are differences, check is it the sounds and arrangements themselves that are different, or is it an over-all difference - like clarity, presence, fullness, shimmer, etc. If you're goals are sheer level, then we have to approach it from that standpoint, and in all cases, the end result is primarily dictated by the sounds themselves, the mix, and the arrangement of the parts.

I would really like to find out what is causing a "cheapness" to my [studio's] sound. - Jim

It's like a pyramid. The most important location of great sound starts at the base, namely the source (ya know like the guitar strings, then the pickups, then the amp, then the mic, then the mic pre, then the compressor, then the console, then the machine..... how good the player is, tight the parts are played, the arrangement, the intonation, the musical layering, etc.),

The farther up the line you go, creating great sound involves more bandages. That's why I've put all this info on my site, to help people get it right from the start. Mastering can make a huge difference, but it's not really supposed to turn an apple into an orange. Whacked stuff will just sound like better whacked stuff. If a project is really right from the ground floor up, the mastering puts a gorgeous paint job on the car, but it doesn't change the performance of the engine.

It's like the band that cuts their tracks and then spends a month in Pro Tools correcting the drums so they're in the pocket. Sheesh! I say practice another month instead and play the parts right from the beginning! I know. It forces you to sweat and increase your discipline and skills... but then you get the benefit of that improved skill when you play live!

It seems like I'm hearing something different on CDR than what I'm hearing thru my monitors. I've heard you talk about a $350.00 SCSI cable (from computer to burner) - could that make the difference?

Actually I was referring to a digital cable from anywhere to anywhere, like from a DAT to CD burner, from a DAW into a DAT machine or CD burner, etc. I don't think there are any SCSI cables of a $350 caliber, but I don't think that's the problem anyway.

I Bounce to Disc my mixes using a Master fader with these inserts: a waves compressor, a Waves L1 Limiter, and finally a Digidesign Dither Plug. Could this be a weakness?

The mix engine used to render a stereo file is always a sore spot, which is why I recommend getting a Masterlink and a great digital cable. Come out of your mix session into the Masterlink at the same sampling rate and then render an audio CD from the Masterlink. Keep your high sampling rate files (CD24) for mastering.

The L1 and all those Digiwizgizmos over the stereo buss are all recalculating the signal, and may or may not be helping the sound. I say work a little more at making the mix smoke on its own... just be careful, many guys get carried away with stuff stuff stuff. When my clients bring in their computers for mastering, I spend more time taking off stuff than I do adding another plug-in to this or that....

Could there really be that much difference between a PT le mix engine and a TDM one?

I've found there are slight differences in different DAW systems. The companies are improving their features and sound often. 64 bit systems will be interesting to watch!

I burn my CDR's using Maxell 650's for sample mixes to hear on other stereos. Do different CDR's really make that big of a difference?

In some cases, yes. Sometimes it's not noticeable on home systems, but we've heard differences here, and we use Maxell 700mb Music CDRs. The slower you can burn the CDRs the better, and be sure to use excellent digital cables when used to interface your gear.




FIVE QUICK TIPS FOR THE BEST MASTERING:

Be prepared! Check here for more info.
Bring in your favorite commercial CDs and compare the sound of your project to those other CDs (great mixing idea too).
Don't have huge conversations with others in the room when the mastering engineer is concentrating on the sound.
When you take home your reference CDR, listen on lots of different consumer systems (not in the studio first!).
Take breaks, have fun, enjoy the process. It's all about teamwork and a professionally successful attitude.
"I've just received the CDR master. It's great...! I'm happy with it, the record company is happy with it - I'll also be using you for all future projects I do." -Finn (project sent from France)

"I'm amazed at how much different the mixes sound - everything has much more definition - the drummer was super-excited about how "crisp and defined" the toms now sound - all of the instruments occupy their own space nicely - the bass KICKED MY ---- the best is how much "fuller" the vocals sound - really really really super good." -Mr. Ginseng - Love Machine Blue



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Thanks, OutToDry! That was really interesting.

Would you say mixing is the most important part of the process after the recording? Is that where the sound is really made or broken?


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thefunkyredcaboose   Ted Jensen   Apr 14 2010, 10:43 am
SJN1279   Apparently he is mastering both the Ed K. album a...   Apr 14 2010, 10:55 am
thefunkyredcaboose   It should have been Live album #8. Would have sa...   Apr 14 2010, 11:34 am
SJN1279   If it was anything like the last 2 it would have ...   Apr 14 2010, 2:05 pm
SinfulEyes   Matter of opinion. Nick, no one disputes it com...   Apr 14 2010, 10:11 pm
beau99   Nick, no one disputes it comes down to matter of ...   Apr 15 2010, 3:12 am
SinfulEyes   This is not a fact. Dude you are basically litt...   Apr 15 2010, 9:33 am
SecretInsomnia   He's mastering both? Hm, that man has a busy j...   Apr 14 2010, 3:37 pm
crazy1   Apparently he is mastering both the Ed K. album a...   Apr 14 2010, 11:09 am
thefunkyredcaboose   I for one am glad. If Live had released another p...   Apr 14 2010, 2:58 pm
Existentialist   Maybe if Ed let the real talent of the band have a...   Apr 14 2010, 3:07 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Maybe if Ed let the real talent of the band have ...   Apr 14 2010, 3:22 pm
OutToDry   He's done all Live albums. He's no stran...   Apr 14 2010, 8:30 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I have to say that this is the collaboration on th...   Apr 14 2010, 9:42 pm
OutToDry   If, and I say if in simple comparison. If the TG...   Apr 14 2010, 9:47 pm
LiveFan92   Hey, can anyone here explain what goes "into...   Apr 14 2010, 10:11 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   If, and I say if in simple comparison. If the T...   Apr 14 2010, 10:58 pm
Sonic Tonic   Thanks, OutToDry! That was really interestin...   Apr 19 2010, 10:08 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   It may actually be true that the majority of Live...   Apr 15 2010, 9:52 am
Pokey   It may actually be true that the majority of Live...   Apr 15 2010, 10:49 am
SinfulEyes   It may actually be true that the majority of Live...   Apr 15 2010, 6:33 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   But Nick, the problem is that marketing has jack-a...   Apr 15 2010, 10:58 am
Pokey   But Nick, the problem is that marketing has jack-...   Apr 15 2010, 12:29 pm
mrjones49   I'm seeing the same shitty marketing happening...   Apr 15 2010, 5:36 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I'm seeing the same shitty marketing happenin...   Apr 15 2010, 6:48 pm
LiveFan92   I'm seeing the same shitty marketing happenin...   Apr 16 2010, 3:44 pm
SJN1279   What song was the single? Which one should have ...   Apr 16 2010, 5:22 pm
Deku   I think an edited Cowboys would have been a much ...   Apr 16 2010, 5:48 pm
Sonic Tonic   Hahaha thanks for the laughs Pokey.   Apr 15 2010, 6:00 pm
OutToDry   I believe, if the recording is shit. the mixing ...   Apr 16 2010, 6:28 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   It depends on the nature of the project. For a re...   Apr 16 2010, 7:39 pm
LiveFan92   It depends on the nature of the project. For a r...   Apr 19 2010, 4:04 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Haha, I doubt auto-tune and TGF will ever share a...   Apr 19 2010, 7:53 pm
LiveFan92   So, do you want me to tell you or not when the al...   Apr 19 2010, 9:55 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   I'll be preordering a copy as soon as someone...   Apr 19 2010, 11:29 pm
OutToDry   This album can't come too soon. It's app...   Apr 20 2010, 8:20 am


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