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I just wrote a blog called Impossible Politics [link removed], which discusses my uncertainty about politics in general. I thought some of you here might relate to my ponderings. If you're interested then feel free to read, and I'd greatly appreciate any comments (on the blog page itself, preferably). lol.gif

In all honesty, I want Obama to rule England. Dude's cool as fuck. Obama, or Bruce Willis.

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post Apr 6 2010, 9:45 am
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you can have him... obama, that is... bruce is ours. obama is turning this country into communism/socialism so fast it's not even funny. this country was built on capitalism and that's what has made our country so great. you have a dream, you work for it, you get it. now, with obama at the helm, you have a dream, you work for it, everyone else reaps the benefits.

some might see that as keeping the rich from getting richer and letting the poor enjoy what they wouldn't be able to... that sounds good. but, another way to look at is.... it's taking out incentive. no incentive to work hard cause you're gonna have to pay for that lazy slob's health care and cell phone.... and, no incentive for the lazy slob to get off their butt and get a job cause the gov't is gonna take from the hard working wealthy and give to them.


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QUOTE(gotigrz @ Apr 6 2010, 10:45 am) *

you can have him... obama, that is... bruce is ours. obama is turning this country into communism/socialism so fast it's not even funny. this country was built on capitalism and that's what has made our country so great. you have a dream, you work for it, you get it. now, with obama at the helm, you have a dream, you work for it, everyone else reaps the benefits.

some might see that as keeping the rich from getting richer and letting the poor enjoy what they wouldn't be able to... that sounds good. but, another way to look at is.... it's taking out incentive. no incentive to work hard cause you're gonna have to pay for that lazy slob's health care and cell phone.... and, no incentive for the lazy slob to get off their butt and get a job cause the gov't is gonna take from the hard working wealthy and give to them.

The "hard-working wealthy" . I don't know whether to laugh or puke. If you think that all people with money earned it through hard work, and that the poor are poor because they don't work hard, you haven't lived in the real world.

I feel sick. Actually sick at reading your ridiculous justification of unbridled greed. Capitalism did not make America great. That is the great delusion promoted by 20th century America in general and still by the Right in the U.S. - something that is actually contrary to the the ideals that really made America.

Everything you've said on other posts show that you don't do your research, you just base your opinions on stereotypes and limited personal experience.

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If you think that all people with money earned it through hard work, and that the poor are poor because they don't work hard, you haven't lived in the real world.


if you think that's what i think, then you haven't read all of my posts. i specifically said that i have no problem with those that need the gov't's help... need it... not those that abuse it. there are tons of those that abuse it, and that is the one's that i have a problem with. period.



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Capitalism did not make America great. That is the great American delusion.


this coming from a canadian. well, there is no doubt that the united states of america is, or at least was, one of the greatest countries in the world to live in. that is not debatable. so, if capitalism is the great american delusion.... then tell me what is it, or was it, that made the usa so great?

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QUOTE(gotigrz @ Apr 7 2010, 2:17 pm) *

this coming from a canadian. well, there is no doubt that the united states of america is, or at least was, one of the greatest countries in the world to live in. that is not debatable.

I don't know what you have against Canadians, or imagine that you know about Canada but Canada is a great country - but I'll let the United Nations make my point for me:
Best Country to Live: List of Countries on 2009 UN HDI
The United Nation Development Programme (UNDP) released its 2009 Human Development Report, and ranked 182 countries in terms of the quality of life of their citizens, or the UN Human Development Index (HDI). The criteria included life expectancy, literacy rates, school enrollment, and the country's economy.
Top 30 on Human Development Index Ranking


1. Norway
2. Australia
3. Iceland
4. Canada

5. Ireland
6. Netherlands
7. Sweden
8. France
9. Switzerland
10. Japan
11. Luxembourg
12. Finland
13. United States

14. Austria
15. Spain

http://www.nowpublic.com/world/best-countr...ies-2009-un-hdi

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so, if capitalism is the great american delusion.... then tell me what is it, or was it, that made the usa so great?


The ideals expressed here:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"


or here:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Great words. Great ideals. And then their successors sold their souls for some dirty bits of paper.

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Merica   Impossible Politics   Apr 6 2010, 9:20 am
Pokey   you can have him... obama, that is... bruce is ou...   Apr 6 2010, 10:18 am
Merica   you can have him... obama, that is... bruce is ou...   Apr 6 2010, 10:27 am
gotigrz   Those that don't work, under Obama's new ...   Apr 6 2010, 3:42 pm
Merica   will they be living the high life? no. but, they...   Apr 6 2010, 4:00 pm
FishOutaWater   will they be living the high life? no. but, the...   Apr 6 2010, 4:18 pm
VoodooLady   ... i just don't like it when people take adv...   Apr 6 2010, 6:53 pm
jayda   trust me, the united states of america didn't...   Apr 14 2010, 8:18 am
gotigrz   see, this is where i disagree... it's not th...   Apr 6 2010, 3:50 pm
VoodooLady   this will, in turn, give others the incentive ...   Apr 6 2010, 4:29 pm
FishOutaWater   It's so easy to sit in judgment, armed with a ...   Apr 6 2010, 4:54 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   "If you think that all people with money ear...   Apr 7 2010, 1:30 pm
gotigrz   You admit you don't know much about anything ...   Apr 7 2010, 2:15 pm
FishOutaWater   Here is a summary of the Healthcare Reform law bas...   Apr 7 2010, 2:57 pm
gotigrz   fish, all of that sounds fair... but, what about w...   Apr 7 2010, 3:18 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   fish, all of that sounds fair... but, what about ...   Apr 7 2010, 3:20 pm
iateyourcookie   fish, all of that sounds fair... but, what about ...   Apr 8 2010, 3:06 am
gotigrz   first, i am not an idiot. you don' t know m...   Apr 8 2010, 7:31 am
thefunkyredcaboose   first, i am not an idiot. you don' t know me...   Apr 8 2010, 8:39 am
gotigrz   you all are putting words in my mouth. right... ...   Apr 8 2010, 9:00 am
thefunkyredcaboose   no, this a human defending himself when he is un...   Apr 8 2010, 9:32 am
Sonic Tonic   first, i am not an idiot. you don' t know me...   Apr 8 2010, 8:51 am
Merica   I very much agree with FishOutaWater's previou...   Apr 6 2010, 6:28 pm
OutToDry   Great stuff fish. Really. :thumbsup:   Apr 6 2010, 8:49 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   Glad to see gotigrz perpetuating southern American...   Apr 7 2010, 12:23 am
Wambangalang   gotigrz probably formed his opinion while waving h...   Apr 7 2010, 3:45 am
Pokey   gotigrz probably formed his opinion while waving ...   Apr 7 2010, 3:50 am
gotigrz   that's the confederacy flag... not the america...   Apr 7 2010, 8:28 am
thefunkyredcaboose   look, healthcare aside, i work in a business that...   Apr 7 2010, 9:50 am
Pokey   Now, let's talk welfare just for a moment, s...   Apr 7 2010, 10:05 am
gotigrz   ok, explain something to me... cause i will admit,...   Apr 7 2010, 10:25 am
VoodooLady   ok, explain something to me... cause i will admit...   Apr 7 2010, 11:59 am
FishOutaWater   I agree. And people who don't have insuran...   Apr 7 2010, 10:48 am
Pokey   Can't comment on that myself, but I thought th...   Apr 7 2010, 10:39 am
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thefunkyredcaboose   Just to break off topic for a moment, this is whe...   Apr 7 2010, 12:39 pm
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thefunkyredcaboose   :D   Apr 7 2010, 4:08 pm
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