Impossible Politics Options

[Merica]

I just wrote a blog called Impossible Politics [link removed], which discusses my uncertainty about politics in general. I thought some of you here might relate to my ponderings. If you're interested then feel free to read, and I'd greatly appreciate any comments (on the blog page itself, preferably).

In all honesty, I want Obama to rule England. Dude's cool as fuck. Obama, or Bruce Willis.

This post has been edited by Merica: Jul 19 2018, 8:36 am

[Wambangalang]

gotigrz probably formed his opinion while waving his little american flag and watching glenn beck's take on healthcare here

[Pokey]

gotigrz probably formed his opinion while waving his little american flag

[gotigrz]

that's the confederacy flag... not the american flag... i know you know that, but anyway...

look, healthcare aside, i work in a business that sees so many people take advantage of the system. people coming in and paying their bills with money that was provided by the gov't while they are talking on their cell phones, with extensions in their hair, with 5 kids all from different daddies. these kind of people are a dime a dozen in this country, and these are the ones that are gonna reap the benefits of this healthcare system. and, i know a lot of you ask me... "what would Jesus do"... honestly, i don't know... i don't think Jesus is in the business of helping those that don't want to help themselves.

am i 100% sure obama is joke of pres???... no. am i 100% sure that there are too many people that are being allowed to take advantage of hard working american tax money??? yes... and, that is what i want someone to step in and say.... "uh, not so fast, bum".

like i said, if someone needs the gov't because they can't help themselves... fine. but, there are too many that have just learned to live off the gov't and don't want to get out there and earn a living cause they don't know how cause they've never done it.

[thefunkyredcaboose]

look, healthcare aside, i work in a business that sees so many people take advantage of the system. people coming in and paying their bills with money that was provided by the gov't while they are talking on their cell phones, with extensions in their hair, with 5 kids all from different daddies. these kind of people are a dime a dozen in this country, and these are the ones that are gonna reap the benefits of this healthcare system. and, i know a lot of you ask me... "what would Jesus do"... honestly, i don't know... i don't think Jesus is in the business of helping those that don't want to help themselves.

Again, the words you are looking for are "welfare reform." This isn't a "healthcare system," it's a government mandate to receive care with provisions that will make it easier for people to do that.

Right now, if someone goes to the hospital who has no insurance, the cost ultimately goes to those of us who pay for our insurance in higher premiums. Providing insurance, even through medicaid, for more people is going to help those of us who are already paying.

So, ultimately this means that less of your money will be going to people you seem to have such disdain for.

Now, let's talk welfare just for a moment, since that's really what you are discussing. It is true that welfare benefits allow people to live off of them, should they choose, but ONLY in places with a low enough cost of living to support it (places like South Carolina). This is not true for the whole of the country, it is much more of a regional problem.

Your basic premise of "people working to get what they deserve" is fundamentally flawed. It assumes that everyone has the same opportunities in their family and in their community to make it on their own. The civil rights movement and mass immigration are both so new that our country is still trying to figure out how to help those people who don't have the same opportunities as the predominately white middle class. Part of that is being worked out in this bill, but a very small part.

Ultimately it comes down to this: if there is a system people will always try to take advantage of it. In this country, there are ultimately more people who truly NEED welfare (and need healthcare) than those who are taking advantage of the system. It's not a perfect system, but it does help the poor, which if I recall Jesus was sort of into.

[Pokey]

Now, let's talk welfare just for a moment, since that's really what you are discussing. It is true that welfare benefits allow people to live off of them, should they choose, but ONLY in places with a low enough cost of living to support it (places like South Carolina). This is not true for the whole of the country, it is much more of a regional problem.

And this is true in most places around the world too. We have the same argument made about people who are living off the system and all that. But They're not exactly living an afluent and luxurious lifestyle this way. If I want something nice I work for it, I could do nothing and have enough to just get by .. but I don't want to live like that. I want money for a nice car and a trip overseas and a new PS3 (for red dead redemtion, seriously get on that shit .. it's like GTA but in a Western form, you can ride horses, do duals, chase guys for bounties or join gangs .. even the way you dress effects how other characters interact with you .. so gonna wear the poncho from the Sergio Leonie/Clint Eastwood trilogy .. anyways) .. these are the things that I want that I have to work for. I know that if I left my job and just collected my dole cheque every fortnight that I would not be able to do this. So yes it does annoy me sometimes that people are living off the system, but at the same time fuck them .. they're living off the system for a life that I would detest.

[gotigrz]

ok, explain something to me... cause i will admit, i'm pretty uneducated when it comes to politics and that i base my knowledge on what i hear and not so much on what i know... if that makes sense. anyway, i'm under the impression that if obama gets his way, we will have the same kind of healthcare system that canada has.... a free healthcare for everybody, but get in line if you need some serious operation cause you're not entitled to that operation any more than the guy standing in front of you... even though he doesn't lift a finger to support himself by having a job and paying taxes that fund the operation.... while you do.

is this completely wrong? completely right? partially right and wrong.... what???