gotigrz's Christianity topic, part 2 Options

[gotigrz]

Someone i think badman or merica actually asked ed in person and he admitted being a christian. im pretty sure his is a little more of an open faith (i remember a recent interview where he stated that praying doesnt do much good in the world) I know he thinks the bible is the best source of morality and guide for mankind but im not clear if he believes in the divinity of jesus or that he was born of a virgin etc...

well, if ed said that he was a Christian, then he does believe in the virgin birth, the dying on the cross, and the resurrection 3 days later. that is the criteria of being a Christian. nobody says, .. "yeah, i'm a Christian, but that whole virgin birth thing is just crazy."

when ed said that about prayer not doing much good (i heard the interview)... he was referring to prayer that he thinks isn't really "prayer". he was saying that when you are truly in prayer with God that you are like one with Him, and that most people just close their eyes and ask for something. and, that THAT isn't doing much good cause that's what most people do and look at the world around us. PRAYER... aka... truly talking to God is VERY powerful.

[gotigrz]

Because it is a popular belief that the concept of Heaven and Hell were used to keep people in line.

right,... but it's also a popular belief that Heaven and Hell are eternal reward and punishment for obeying or rejecting God.

a form of moral concious, that to me would state that in ways there are things to be gained by lying about it.

so, you're saying that all the authors of all 66 books of the bible thought to himself... "i'll write this stuff down so that it will be true for me and i'll feel better about myself"? i don't think so. if they made it up, then they know they made it up, and therefore they know it isn't true so there's no way they could gain any "moral conscious". if anything, it would be the opposite cause they KNOW it's a lie.

Your analogy doesn't really translate well, what you're talking about like you say doesn't really matter, at the end of the day he's still your father, you can see him, you can touch him etc ... with Heaven and Hell, these are things we can't interact with.

true, but we both have to agree that arguing the existence of God BASED ON PROOF is an ongoing debate that has been going on for thousands of years and is not likely to be settled on a message board. so, we have to debate or discuss "God" with what we DO know and what we can observe and form an opinion on.... science, the bible, personal experiences, etc....

lol I love it "I've never seen an Alien so I dont think they exist, i've never seen god, but man he's there!"

wow... you twisted it even when i thought i stated it in a way that i thought you couldn't. i said, that aliens, if there are any, would be of this world and would be provable. God, Heaven and Hell are not of this world, and are not provable or disprovable. there is a difference.

... I'm not saying I've seen them or anything like that, but given the vastness of the universe that we know so far, to outright say there is no other life out there is a majorly big call. So I'm just hypothetically speaking if they were to turn up, in any shape or form. I wasn't using this as a way to say sit around and wait, but to consider the possibility if it did happen that it would have to pull so many faiths into question.

like i said, if we find aliens or if they show up... that would be something that Christians would have to deal with, but it hasn't happened, so, as a Christian, there is no point in worrying about it... a Christian isn't worried about anyone proving the non existence of God, cause we know, in a way that is hard to explain, that THAT is never gonna happen. so, we don't spend our time worrying or preparing for it.

It sort of brings up a point earlier in this thread, if someone has no exposure to the teachings of God, then how can they be fairly judged at the end?

2 Peter 2:21 says of evildoers, "It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them."

to me, this says that God is aware that some people will not hear "the word of God". and, those people will be shown more mercy than the one who do hear it and choose to reject it.

This post has been edited by gotigrz: Mar 25 2010, 9:00 am