gotigrz's Christianity topic, part 2 Options

[gotigrz]

Someone i think badman or merica actually asked ed in person and he admitted being a christian. im pretty sure his is a little more of an open faith (i remember a recent interview where he stated that praying doesnt do much good in the world) I know he thinks the bible is the best source of morality and guide for mankind but im not clear if he believes in the divinity of jesus or that he was born of a virgin etc...

well, if ed said that he was a Christian, then he does believe in the virgin birth, the dying on the cross, and the resurrection 3 days later. that is the criteria of being a Christian. nobody says, .. "yeah, i'm a Christian, but that whole virgin birth thing is just crazy."

when ed said that about prayer not doing much good (i heard the interview)... he was referring to prayer that he thinks isn't really "prayer". he was saying that when you are truly in prayer with God that you are like one with Him, and that most people just close their eyes and ask for something. and, that THAT isn't doing much good cause that's what most people do and look at the world around us. PRAYER... aka... truly talking to God is VERY powerful.

[Pokey]

ok, let's say you're father, who you know loves you more than life himself, is there for you no matter what, supports you in every aspect of your life, leaves absolutely no doubt whatsoever that he wouldn't gain anything by lying to you...... now, unfortunately your mom has passed and later on he said that he had never had sex with your mom before they were married. can he prove this? no. would you believe him? i would... not because of proof or the lack there of,... but, because you believe that your father wouldn't lie to you. this is why i believe in Heaven... i have no proof, i have no idea what Heaven is like, i do not believe it's the way hollywood makes it out to be... but, nevertheless, i believe because i don't believe that my ultimate Father, God, would lie to me. i know that churches, today, and preachers and such, may benefit from preaching the word of God, but the people that actually wrote the stories in the bible had nothing to benefit from.... so why lie about it?

Because it is a popular belief that the concept of Heaven and Hell were used to keep people in line. a form of moral concious, that to me would state that in ways there are things to be gained by lying about it. Your analogy doesn't really translate well, what you're talking about like you say doesn't really matter, at the end of the day he's still your father, you can see him, you can touch him etc ... with Heaven and Hell, these are things we can't interact with.

well, the bible doesn't mention aliens or life outside of earth, except Heaven and Hell.... but, it doesn't directly say that there's not life outside of earth, either. but, i have never seen an alien, i don't know anyone who has, i have no reason to think that there is such a thing. i would need proof. on the other hand, i don't need proof of Heaven and Hell cause those are not of this world, therefor, i know they are not provable.... aliens, if there are any, WOULD be of this world. but, if they did find extraterrestrial life, it would definitely put a kink in the Christian doctrine, and i guess we'd have to burn that bridge when we got there, but they haven't found anything that has done that, yet... so, i'm not gonna sit around and wait for such a thing. you can if you want.

lol I love it "I've never seen an Alien so I dont think they exist, i've never seen god, but man he's there!" ... I'm not saying I've seen them or anything like that, but given the vastness of the universe that we know so far, to outright say there is no other life out there is a majorly big call. So I'm just hypothetically speaking if they were to turn up, in any shape or form.

I wasn't using this as a way to say sit around and wait, but to consider the possibility if it did happen that it would have to pull so many faiths into question.