gotigrz's Christianity topic, part 2 Options

[Wambangalang]

oh dont be afraid, it was in response to PurdueSteve. Someone i think badman or merica actually asked ed in person and he admitted being a christian. im pretty sure his is a little more of an open faith (i remember a recent interview where he stated that praying doesnt do much good in the world) I know he thinks the bible is the best source of morality and guide for mankind but im not clear if he believes in the divinity of jesus or that he was born of a virgin etc...

my christianity is more in line with christopher hitchens.

[gotigrz]

Someone i think badman or merica actually asked ed in person and he admitted being a christian. im pretty sure his is a little more of an open faith (i remember a recent interview where he stated that praying doesnt do much good in the world) I know he thinks the bible is the best source of morality and guide for mankind but im not clear if he believes in the divinity of jesus or that he was born of a virgin etc...

well, if ed said that he was a Christian, then he does believe in the virgin birth, the dying on the cross, and the resurrection 3 days later. that is the criteria of being a Christian. nobody says, .. "yeah, i'm a Christian, but that whole virgin birth thing is just crazy."

when ed said that about prayer not doing much good (i heard the interview)... he was referring to prayer that he thinks isn't really "prayer". he was saying that when you are truly in prayer with God that you are like one with Him, and that most people just close their eyes and ask for something. and, that THAT isn't doing much good cause that's what most people do and look at the world around us. PRAYER... aka... truly talking to God is VERY powerful.

[Pokey]

well, if ed said that he was a Christian, then he does believe in the virgin birth, the dying on the cross, and the resurrection 3 days later. that is the criteria of being a Christian. nobody says, .. "yeah, i'm a Christian, but that whole virgin birth thing is just crazy."

when ed said that about prayer not doing much good (i heard the interview)... he was referring to prayer that he thinks isn't really "prayer". he was saying that when you are truly in prayer with God that you are like one with Him, and that most people just close their eyes and ask for something. and, that THAT isn't doing much good cause that's what most people do and look at the world around us. PRAYER... aka... truly talking to God is VERY powerful.

You got no idea how much im loving your ranting after going to a convention to hear Richard Dawkins rant over the weekend, his is much more convincing.
I doubt it's very powerful ... I prayed, like really prayed for years and I never felt anything powerful about it come to think of it. If it was VERY powerful then surely I'd not have "strayed from the path".

This post has been edited by Pokey: Mar 17 2010, 7:37 am

[gotigrz]

You got no idea how much im loving your ranting after going to a convention to hear Richard Dawkins rant over the weekend, his is much more convincing.
I doubt it's very powerful ... I prayed, like really prayed for years and I never felt anything powerful about it come to think of it. If it was VERY powerful then surely I'd not have "strayed from the path".

pokey, i've got to take you saying... "i prayed" like i take other atheists saying.. "i've read the bible many times". i'm a Christian and i've never read the bible all the way through once.... but, i'm working on it. anyway, dawkins is a VERY smart man... i've listened to many of his speeches or whatever, and while he does have valid points... he's wrong. he, like all other atheists, doesn't believe because of lack of physical proof. but, God said that you are saved, not by your works, but by your faith. meaning... THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO SAVE YOURSELF... AND THAT INCLUDES FINDING PROOF.... CAUSE IT AIN'T THERE.

the theory of evolution tells us how things came to be. except one thing... LIFE. and, for me they can't explain much more, either. like why are humans so much more advanced than our ancestors... the chimps? i mean a dog isn't that much more advanced than a wolf, right. a cat isn't that much more advanced than a lion. maybe man is so much more advanced so that man would rule the earth forever and not let anything overtake it like God said... GENESIS 1:28

and, why has the earth spun exactly the same for so many years so that the seasons have yet to get out of line... just like the bible said... GENESIS 1:14.

science is great for explaining HOW... but, not so good to explain WHY.

[Sakhmet2]

pokey, i've got to take you saying... "i prayed" like i take other atheists saying.. "i've read the bible many times". i'm a Christian and i've never read the bible all the way through once.... but, i'm working on it. anyway, dawkins is a VERY smart man... i've listened to many of his speeches or whatever, and while he does have valid points... he's wrong. he, like all other atheists, doesn't believe because of lack of physical proof. but, God said that you are saved, not by your works, but by your faith. meaning... THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO SAVE YOURSELF... AND THAT INCLUDES FINDING PROOF.... CAUSE IT AIN'T THERE.

the theory of evolution tells us how things came to be. except one thing... LIFE. and, for me they can't explain much more, either. like why are humans so much more advanced than our ancestors... the chimps? i mean a dog isn't that much more advanced than a wolf, right. a cat isn't that much more advanced than a lion. maybe man is so much more advanced so that man would rule the earth forever and not let anything overtake it like God said... GENESIS 1:28

and, why has the earth spun exactly the same for so many years so that the seasons have yet to get out of line... just like the bible said... GENESIS 1:14.

science is great for explaining HOW... but, not so good to explain WHY.

STOP, PLEASE JUST STOP IT.