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post Apr 10 2006, 7:51 am
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I've been listening to the new album for the last couple of days and I have to say I'm quite disappointed. Didn't Live used to be a rock band? All of their songs have now become Pop songs. What happened to songs like the Stage, White Discussions, Lakinis Juice, Feel The Quiet River Rage, Where Fishes Go, actual rock songs? Live seems to have lost all of it's edge.

I will always love Live but this album seems to be a big step back to me.

Just my opinion.


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post Apr 13 2006, 3:51 am
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It's fun reading how people tear this apart. I have a new found admiration for critics that actually put their opinions to print.

Anyway, as a life long LIVE fan I have to get it off my chest too. So many things have already been posted here, so I'll try not to repeat and just pick up on the good stuff:

1) Do any of the songs on SFBM make you stop and listen? NO! I still remember exactly where I was when I first heard Operation Spirit come over the airwaves. Not many bands can do that over and over again. LIVE did a few times for the first 10 years. But not since.

2) The discussions about "too pop or not too pop" are rediculous. The real problem I see is that the new label is getting in the way of the music to the same degree as the last label neglected the band. Anybody who has the early leaks of some of the songs would have to be def to not hear what has happened. They killed some really good songs by trying to make them too appealable to a broader audience, i.e. to fit into a mold, i.e. to get them on the radio and get more records sold!!! I for one believe that anybody who sets out to make music in that way is destined to fail. In the Dual Disk interviews they talk about how they tracked the whole thing in 3 weeks. YIKES!! And then it has taken them almost a year to release it? That says loads about the amount of post production that took place! What a shame.

3) I think somebody already mentioned it, but it has to be said again: this album is not a LIVE album. It is the Ed K. album with backing by the artists formerly known as live. I don't know how they wrote music earlier. I have always understood that Ed comes in with the lyric and the songs worked to some degree, but then they evolve into the album. But not this time. It's all ED! Why else is he travelling the world promoting it alone with his acoustic and not the rest of the band? And it is because of that that I think it also sounds so different to the past. Everybody talks about SS. Well they went off to Jamaica for 6 months and jammed and got friendly with the gardner back then whistle.gif ..the result was some really freaky stuff that rocked. SFBM does not have that quality and I believe never was intended too. Those are just different eras!! Then (young guys blown away by massive commercial success and pissin' in the wind of the mainstream - I really liked that quote!) and now (mature artists trying to make a living doing what they love).

4) A famous legendary artist once said: "You can make one crap album and get away with it. If you make two, you're out!" Well, in terms of commercial success, LIVE should now be "out" but they are NOT! Their longevity and following still means something, but they won't be on the cover of Rolling Stone ever again!

Summary? I think it is all about expectation management. I will listen to SFBM, but more often then not I will revert to other albums that I like better. It has it's moments, but it does not blow me away with amazing new sounds that convince of something greater.

I give it a 5 Dick!

PS Sorry about the length of the post shrug.gif but if you no likey, then just skippy lol.gif


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jimmatz   I'm sorry....but didn't Live used to be a rock band?   Apr 10 2006, 7:51 am
Live4Life   Jeesh.....people like you are posuers to me...thes...   Apr 10 2006, 8:03 am
jimmatz   I am a Live fan just as much as you. But if you t...   Apr 10 2006, 8:09 am
beau99   I am a Live fan just as much as you. But if you ...   Apr 10 2006, 9:50 am
flyersfan62379   Actually, 'pop' is short for popular. Li...   Apr 10 2006, 9:57 am
beau99   Just curious. U2 is my favorite band of all time...   Apr 10 2006, 10:01 am
jimmatz   Tool and Godsmack both suck loads of ass. Tool...   Apr 10 2006, 11:50 am
beau99   Tool is one of the most creative and imaginative ...   Apr 10 2006, 2:29 pm
blue23   I am a Live fan just as much as you. But if you ...   Apr 11 2006, 4:34 am
flyersfan62379   Jeesh.....people like you are posuers to me...the...   Apr 10 2006, 9:38 am
flyersfan62379   OK, so I've listened to the album 5 or 6 times...   Apr 10 2006, 9:36 am
Renata Trocoli   I respect Jeesh´s opinion. It´s more like a relief...   Apr 10 2006, 11:37 am
Bull   Jim - I understand your opinion and even agree wit...   Apr 10 2006, 11:57 am
flyersfan62379   Jim - I understand your opinion and even agree wi...   Apr 10 2006, 12:25 pm
SDM   This album is Live's (read: Ed's) attempt ...   Apr 10 2006, 12:36 pm
LiveattheOasis   You know, outside of maybe 12-15 songs (most being...   Apr 10 2006, 1:05 pm
jaybb   I feel like if they released Selling The Drama or ...   Apr 10 2006, 1:12 pm
swedeguy   I feel like if they released Selling The Drama or...   Apr 10 2006, 1:48 pm
flyersfan62379   I feel like if they released Selling The Drama or...   Apr 10 2006, 1:48 pm
jaybb   Quick to judge in the sense that you've heard ...   Apr 10 2006, 1:51 pm
brandedwendy   Sure...and if they released all their albums in an...   Apr 10 2006, 1:57 pm
i_live_life   Then again, (dont know who said it, so forgive me...   Apr 10 2006, 2:00 pm
Wambangalang   when i heard the dolphin's cry for the first t...   Apr 10 2006, 1:57 pm
PhoenixDecay   I think no one here can really define what "p...   Apr 10 2006, 2:43 pm
Jennyfoo   I think no one here can really define what ...   Apr 10 2006, 7:29 pm
mfitz804   This pop stuff... and yes, it's pop. It...   Apr 10 2006, 8:44 pm
Jennyfoo   I suppose if you consider Nickelback and 3 Doors ...   Apr 10 2006, 9:29 pm
Schlomo   Anybody who doesn't like the album, please do ...   Apr 10 2006, 8:51 pm
valleygirl   Anybody who doesn't like the album, please do...   Apr 10 2006, 9:29 pm
fandelive   No need to hate one of your favorite bands becaus...   Apr 11 2006, 5:21 am
Costakoui   That's a great post. See, i started to not...   Apr 11 2006, 5:45 am
mfitz804   i thin its true that the new CD is not as heavy as...   Apr 10 2006, 5:44 pm
tswart1   Didnt Pat describe it as a pop record?   Apr 10 2006, 6:56 pm
mfitz804   That dude Scholmo made a lot of sense.   Apr 10 2006, 9:31 pm
Jennyfoo   That dude Scholmo made a lot of sense. yeah, he...   Apr 10 2006, 9:38 pm
LiveattheOasis   I find it hard to believe that this is the end of ...   Apr 10 2006, 9:49 pm
valleygirl   I find it hard to believe that this is the end of...   Apr 10 2006, 9:58 pm
mfitz804   The difference from SS to TDTH was perhaps the gre...   Apr 10 2006, 10:05 pm
chiefhosa   The first time I heard Live I was in high school. ...   Apr 10 2006, 10:20 pm
michael39   i think they have just got better and more refined...   Apr 11 2006, 3:04 am
flyersfan62379   I strongly disagree that the majority of TDTH is ...   Apr 11 2006, 6:49 am
Costakoui   Live is pressing. If you listen to Meltdown and...   Apr 11 2006, 9:20 am
flyersfan62379   But why have you selected these pairs of comparis...   Apr 11 2006, 10:05 am
Jennyfoo   The problem I have with BOP and now SFBM is tha...   Apr 11 2006, 9:15 pm
mfitz804   I am so glad that the people on this board are so ...   Apr 11 2006, 9:36 pm
flyersfan62379   I am so glad that the people on this board are so...   Apr 12 2006, 9:22 am
DesertWater   I didn't read all of the posts, but somebody s...   Apr 11 2006, 9:51 pm
Costakoui   I didn't read all of the posts, but somebody ...   Apr 12 2006, 1:09 am
fandelive   Listen again to songs like TSUFL, The Distance, C...   Apr 12 2006, 4:57 am
DesertWater   Listen again to songs like TSUFL, The Distance, C...   Apr 12 2006, 8:33 pm
seriakiLLa   Having been a follower since the release of MJ, I ...   Apr 12 2006, 4:08 am
bman2112   OK - I know this is only my second post, and I hav...   Apr 12 2006, 5:32 am
fandelive   Earlier in this thread, someone said that this al...   Apr 12 2006, 5:54 am
bman2112   yeah, that was me... not only the lyrics, but als...   Apr 12 2006, 6:30 am
SecretInsomnia   OK - I know this is only my second post, and I ha...   Apr 12 2006, 9:02 am
LiveattheOasis   OK - I know this is only my second post, and I ha...   Apr 12 2006, 6:33 pm
mfitz804   Those of you ripping on the lyrics to these songs...   Apr 12 2006, 6:59 pm
mrmcpheezy   Wow, this thread was tough to read.   Apr 12 2006, 8:19 am
tswart1   When I listen to Show I envision all 5 guys doing ...   Apr 12 2006, 9:11 am
livefan86   Its not LIVE's fault that their albums have no...   Apr 12 2006, 9:37 am
flyersfan62379   Its not LIVE's fault that their albums have n...   Apr 12 2006, 9:42 am
Jennyfoo   Or if could be the band has lost it's luster ...   Apr 12 2006, 7:06 pm
SJN1279   Its all subjective. Some lyrics from Live's ea...   Apr 12 2006, 7:16 pm
LiveattheOasis   You rock, my friend. You rock. Y'all real...   Apr 12 2006, 8:42 pm
SJN1279   Exactly, you back up the lyrics of SS because you...   Apr 12 2006, 8:55 pm
Alex   Some people are so lame with the whole 'rock...   Apr 12 2006, 5:27 pm
Wambangalang   I hate how he sings "in the east", an...   Apr 12 2006, 8:22 pm
Wambangalang   i dont think its the lyrics necessarily its just t...   Apr 12 2006, 9:17 pm
Jennyfoo   Exactly, you back up the lyrics of SS because you...   Apr 12 2006, 9:46 pm
SJN1279   Dude, now he just says the same things over and o...   Apr 12 2006, 10:07 pm
Jennyfoo   What I heard of it - were perfect neat little song...   Apr 12 2006, 10:14 pm
Schlomo   It's fine to be dissapointed with the album, o...   Apr 12 2006, 10:45 pm
tiger   Live fans are lucky. I don't think this music...   Apr 12 2006, 11:07 pm
chica   Your post may be long but I think you got some poi...   Apr 13 2006, 4:29 am
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