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post Dec 2 2009, 6:33 am
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oke, I still don't understand what EXACTLY happened. Please fill me in.

2005
(before, after, during) writing SFBM, Ed signed something all the other guys didnt know about, but what exactly? It was bad for the other guys, but how came it that they didnt notice it for 4 years

2005-2009
Everyone was "happy", SFBM release, Radiant Sea, Live at the Paradiso was recorded (an at that time Ed and Chad still did their happy jump-dance during Lakini's Juice). Also, the pre-show footage shown was them being a happy band (remember Pat? hehe). I guess it was in this time that the other 3 thought Ed was a bit too much of an ego, but still "supported him", according to Chad. Between 2006 en 2008 there were more and more solo shows tho.

early 2009
Band/Ed says they're working on new material, that will sound Forever/Purifier-ish, and band rehearsed together for the first time in quite some time. They even brought songs like Hold me Up back. It was in this period 'Believe' showed up.
At the other hand, Ed continued with his late 2008 started solo-shows and created his first own song (Zion), that at first, was stated, to be for the band Live ("I can wait to add the band to this song" -EK).

2009 (May)
Live was asked to perform as surprise act Pinkpop 2009, Ed asked the management to ask the other 3 if they agree with Ed getting 100.000 extra? So at that time they didnt even interacted with each other anymore or what? Why? - because Chad said they found out about the 2005-thing during the hiatus/break, and so after May?

post- may 2009
Band said they wanted a break, I guess both for creative reasons as for the whole Ed ego thing. Last few shows were performed in July in which they acted like they had some kind of fight with Ed (at least for me it seemed like that), but these shows were already planned months earlier. It was this period they found out about the 2005 contract, right? When they discovered this ("a stap in the back of his friends") for Chad it was obvious it was over and didnt want to perform with Ed ever again.


For me there are some missing pieces in between... what exactly happened?


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Personally I think Chad, Chad and Pat should just suck it up.

U2 have been friends since high school too and have had more spats than most people think and have nearly broken up many times, Bono's massive ego being just one of the reasons.

But they're still friends and are still making great music and playing fucking excellent live shows. I can attest to it as I saw them in October.

If U2 can survive Bono's ego, Live can survive Ed's.

Is it is right now; Chad, Chad and Pat are being assholes and I could care less about TGF until they and Ed can make amends.


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SecretInsomnia   Live 2005-2009, the beginning of the end   Dec 2 2009, 6:33 am
+Ed+   Noone knows. Thread can be locked :D   Dec 2 2009, 6:40 am
Pokey   I doubt asking these questions here are going to g...   Dec 2 2009, 6:40 am
SecretInsomnia   well it was more like maybe I missed something or ...   Dec 2 2009, 6:43 am
Pokey   I think we have the story ... just not the full de...   Dec 2 2009, 6:55 am
+Ed+   if only they all really do not plan to get through...   Dec 2 2009, 7:07 am
crazy1   2009 (May) Live was asked to perform as surprise ...   Dec 2 2009, 8:27 am
SJN1279   I don't know the answers to any of this but a...   Dec 2 2009, 10:57 am
Pokey   To me Ed made this demand probably knowing he was...   Dec 2 2009, 11:02 am
OutToDry   Maybe it wasn't an issue because there neve...   Dec 2 2009, 11:11 am
Pokey   lol I tweeted Gracey and asked him if Kevin Martin...   Dec 2 2009, 9:14 am
OutToDry   Anyone who has attended the shows from late TDTH o...   Dec 2 2009, 10:30 am
Gertjan   Maybe the usual lead singer bonus was $50.000...   Dec 2 2009, 11:47 am
the_hess   Maybe the usual lead singer bonus was $50.00...   Dec 2 2009, 11:45 pm
Merica   Maybe all the guys usually get $100k bonuses ...   Dec 2 2009, 4:00 pm
Wambangalang   Maybe the usual lead singer bonus was $50.00...   Dec 2 2009, 6:06 pm
thefunkyredcaboose   i agree hey, im still not comfortable slamming ed...   Dec 2 2009, 9:08 pm
Badman   i take no sides I totally take sides :lol: ...   Dec 5 2009, 3:10 pm
SJN1279   People change and grow in different ways. How man...   Dec 5 2009, 3:53 pm
Sakhmet2   People change and grow in different ways. How ma...   Dec 5 2009, 10:09 pm
OutToDry   I think that's why they are twittering and tel...   Dec 2 2009, 10:48 pm
PearlJamaholic   i just came to check the site to see what was new ...   Dec 5 2009, 5:28 am
Wambangalang   can't say im surprised by ed's douchier j...   Dec 5 2009, 6:52 am
Pokey   i have a very bad flu, and am heavily sedated, bu...   Dec 5 2009, 7:06 am
PearlJamaholic   i have a very bad flu, and am heavily sedated, bu...   Dec 5 2009, 4:05 pm
OutToDry   look at the old Live albums they all say ...   Dec 5 2009, 4:18 pm
pho3nixtar   That is why we have what we do today, you can cou...   Dec 5 2009, 6:04 pm
OutToDry   Crock element, you mean. Songs From Black Moun...   Dec 5 2009, 6:28 pm
Senghe   look at the old Live albums they all say "mu...   Dec 5 2009, 4:59 pm
Wambangalang   i must say, my 20 year plus friendships are the ON...   Dec 5 2009, 11:24 pm
Pokey   Personally I think Chad, Chad and Pat should just...   Dec 6 2009, 6:30 am
Sonic Tonic   As much as I hate and despise U2 ... the issue he...   Dec 6 2009, 4:19 pm
Pokey   And if this beau person thinks they should suck ...   Dec 6 2009, 6:28 pm
Senghe   Personally I think Chad, Chad and Pat should just...   Dec 6 2009, 7:39 am
The Thrill   But U2 have fucking sucked since they nearly brok...   Dec 6 2009, 8:07 am
Senghe   Indeed, this is not about just someones ego. It ...   Dec 7 2009, 4:36 am
sh4rpz   hmm... do you guys think that all this stuff (Chad...   Dec 7 2009, 6:40 pm
OutToDry   hmm... do you guys think that all this stuff (Cha...   Dec 7 2009, 8:59 pm
The Thrill   Yes, I'd say that is a definite possibility. ...   Dec 7 2009, 9:14 pm
jayda   I'm not a new peep - been reading for a couple...   Dec 7 2009, 9:31 pm
OutToDry   Personally I think Chad, Chad and Pat should just...   Dec 6 2009, 9:54 am
Sakhmet2   I highly doubt Bono, signed a secret publishing d...   Dec 6 2009, 10:01 am
Pokey   But you don't know this. In fact, most of th...   Dec 6 2009, 10:15 am
Sakhmet2   so basically we should assume all bands screw eac...   Dec 6 2009, 11:24 am
OutToDry   True, I don't but I think with the 100x more p...   Dec 6 2009, 10:08 am
Pokey   So you're saying that a band like U2 could hav...   Dec 6 2009, 11:44 am
Sakhmet2   So you're saying that a band like U2 could ha...   Dec 6 2009, 11:51 am
The Thrill   You seem to thrive on twisting people's words...   Dec 6 2009, 11:58 am
Sakhmet2   In this case you do know what went on behind the ...   Dec 6 2009, 12:01 pm
dgreen1   We know one side of the story - as I know at leas...   Dec 6 2009, 12:45 pm
Sakhmet2   My own agenda? You make it sound like I'm try...   Dec 6 2009, 1:45 pm
Pokey   You seem to thrive on twisting people's words...   Dec 6 2009, 12:57 pm
OutToDry   You seem to thrive on twisting people's wor...   Dec 6 2009, 12:58 pm
jayda   I'm sure there is more to it. Legally I can...   Dec 7 2009, 7:23 pm
Sakhmet2   Legally I can't see how Ed was able to screw ...   Dec 7 2009, 8:18 pm
The Thrill   My question exactly. Ummmm. When you say ...   Dec 7 2009, 8:43 pm
Sakhmet2   Ummmm. When you say "legally, I cant see ho...   Dec 7 2009, 8:48 pm
zmanpga   alot of new peeps popping up :eh:   Dec 7 2009, 8:47 pm
OutToDry   The music industry congers up some dark stuff........   Dec 7 2009, 9:46 pm
The Thrill   The music industry congers up some dark stuff.......   Dec 7 2009, 9:51 pm
jayda   I dont know why people think they shouldn't o...   Dec 7 2009, 10:13 pm
jayda   The music industry congers up some dark stuff.......   Dec 7 2009, 9:56 pm
OutToDry   Jayda, Ed's not talking. We've been over ...   Dec 7 2009, 10:23 pm
+Ed+   Damn, I am still onto one thought. WHY THE FUCK ...   Dec 8 2009, 2:15 am
Sakhmet2   Damn, I am still onto one thought. WHY THE FUCK D...   Dec 8 2009, 9:09 am
Pokey   The thing is before Chad said anything you had fan...   Dec 8 2009, 3:07 am
+Ed+   Hell knows. The answer to a question WHY can alwa...   Dec 8 2009, 3:12 am
SecretInsomnia   At first, I felt like I wished I never read it too...   Dec 8 2009, 8:05 am
crazy1   December 7th, 2009 No “Lead Singer Bonus” For You...   Dec 8 2009, 9:43 am


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